29 Sep 2011, 10:15 pm
30 Sep 2011, 12:17 am
30 Sep 2011, 12:37 am
Raptor wrote:
Don't get your hopes up. The feeling I'm getting is that people are getting fed up with all this green BS all the time. Look at those outrageously goofy little green cars. Only the douchebags are buying them and even most of them refuse to. Get into a wreck with a full size pickup or SUV in one of those little go-carts and see how green you feel.
We're green enough as it is.
Whatever.
Your original point on this was the national leaders led in battle and I shot that down, obviously.
Sadam wasn't in any tank or attack helicopter, he was hiding in some hole like a rat.
I'm not getting my hopes up. We're f****d. But, unlike you, at least I'm not happy about it
And my original point was that leaders should assume responsibility for the outcome when they go and do something with such drastic consequences as starting a war. Obviously dying with their troops would be the most severe example of that, but others are possible. Haven't you ever heard of hyperbole?
30 Sep 2011, 12:47 am
Obres wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Don't get your hopes up. The feeling I'm getting is that people are getting fed up with all this green BS all the time. Look at those outrageously goofy little green cars. Only the douchebags are buying them and even most of them refuse to. Get into a wreck with a full size pickup or SUV in one of those little go-carts and see how green you feel.
We're green enough as it is.
Whatever.
Your original point on this was the national leaders led in battle and I shot that down, obviously.
Sadam wasn't in any tank or attack helicopter, he was hiding in some hole like a rat.
I'm not getting my hopes up. We're f****. But, unlike you, at least I'm not happy about it
And my original point was that leaders should assume responsibility for the outcome when they go and do something with such drastic consequences as starting a war. Obviously dying with their troops would be the most severe example of that, but others are possible. Haven't you ever heard of hyperbole?
doesn't sound too drastic to me.
IMHO anyone who advocates war should be handed a gun and delivered to the front lines immediately.
30 Sep 2011, 8:25 am
Raptor wrote:
It looks like Al Gore isn't as green as he preaches to other people to be.
“Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.”
How much room do they need and why three houses?
“Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions have signed up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents. But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences.’
Hmmm……..
“For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film.”
Using a private jet instead of commercial airlines? Being a liberal you'd think he'd want to fly commercial in coach class so he can mingle with the proletariat, right? Not to mention the added environmental impact of a private jet flying when it doesn't need to be.
There’s more in the article but this is a good start and it’s not that long of an article.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm
Your thoughts?
“Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.”
How much room do they need and why three houses?
“Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions have signed up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents. But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences.’
Hmmm……..
“For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film.”
Using a private jet instead of commercial airlines? Being a liberal you'd think he'd want to fly commercial in coach class so he can mingle with the proletariat, right? Not to mention the added environmental impact of a private jet flying when it doesn't need to be.
There’s more in the article but this is a good start and it’s not that long of an article.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm
Your thoughts?
Small carbon footprints are for the Little People.
ruveyn
30 Sep 2011, 12:29 pm
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30 Sep 2011, 12:43 pm
30 Sep 2011, 1:13 pm
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I don't like to harp on people for property ownership just because its good investment common sense, however I would say that Al has a lot of fingers and toes in a lot of companies that would stand to profit from his proselytizing.
Wasn't he also just criticized for being involved in non-green energy? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Yet somehow I get the feeling if it was a right-wing guy doing this, he'd be applauded for investing in a product he believed in, "putting his money where his mouth is" so to speak. And of course, the minor investment in non-green energy would be wisely "hedging his bets"
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30 Sep 2011, 1:29 pm
Obres wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I don't like to harp on people for property ownership just because its good investment common sense, however I would say that Al has a lot of fingers and toes in a lot of companies that would stand to profit from his proselytizing.
Wasn't he also just criticized for being involved in non-green energy? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Yet somehow I get the feeling if it was a right-wing guy doing this, he'd be applauded for investing in a product he believed in, "putting his money where his mouth is" so to speak. And of course, the minor investment in non-green energy would be wisely "hedging his bets"
I'd think that most democrat multi-millionaires and billionairs who'd invest as such would enjoy the same anonymity or quaint praise. Then again that could change for any one of them who started going from college to college, highschool to highschool, insisting on impending doom and that the current paradigm has to be radically changed by yesterday. That kind of urgency and "Just trust us - it needs to happen NOW!" is what sends up red flags in most people's minds.
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30 Sep 2011, 4:58 pm
30 Sep 2011, 5:38 pm
look at the wikipedia on Gore environmental hypocrisy turns out like most
right-wing stories this one is a bit on the dishonest side 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore_and_the_environment#Environmental_criticism
I know it is not a logical certainty. but is it a good heuristic to just assume if it comes from a conservative
it prolly is not true? at least not completely. 
30 Sep 2011, 5:56 pm
Obres wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I don't like to harp on people for property ownership just because its good investment common sense, however I would say that Al has a lot of fingers and toes in a lot of companies that would stand to profit from his proselytizing.
Wasn't he also just criticized for being involved in non-green energy? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Yet somehow I get the feeling if it was a right-wing guy doing this, he'd be applauded for investing in a product he believed in, "putting his money where his mouth is" so to speak. And of course, the minor investment in non-green energy would be wisely "hedging his bets"
You mean like the fact that he's the child of an oil magnate?
30 Sep 2011, 6:16 pm
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