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What Religion do you follow?
None 54%  54%  [ 53 ]
Christianity 22%  22%  [ 22 ]
Islam 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Judaism 4%  4%  [ 4 ]
Sikhism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Hinduism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Wicca 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Buddhism 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Other (please state in reply) 13%  13%  [ 13 ]
Total votes : 98

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19 Oct 2011, 1:36 am

ETHAN1994 wrote:
Simple.
What religion do you follow?

I'm a Christian.
More precisely, I'm a Lutheran Christian.

What about you? :D


s**t, yeah! So am I! Missouri Synod to be exact; though here in the Pacific Northwest, we're probably more liberal here than the rest of national body of the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.

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19 Oct 2011, 2:01 pm

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The Foreign Extra? I prefer the Nigerian version but it's not easy to get here.


I like th orginal but the foreign extra is yummy :wink:



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19 Oct 2011, 7:01 pm

Hehhh, beer... I had guinness once. With guinness steak pie (and that was so stuffing, but kinda unusual for my french palate). It was ok... =/



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19 Oct 2011, 7:25 pm

I am a Catholic.


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21 Oct 2011, 9:25 am

Bible-believing Christian. Scripture is the ultimate authority. I'm careful not to take everything literally and out of context though, things can go really messy, such as someone chopping off their hands and plucking their eyes out :lol:



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21 Oct 2011, 10:10 am

i waver between atheist and agnostic. i greatly respect people who have faith, and i often wish i could believe in something/someone, buit i am just not wired that way.


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21 Oct 2011, 10:12 am

I marked "Other", because I'm a religious Jew who isn't still waiting for his Messiah, because I believe the Torah clearly points to Yeshua of Nazareth, Him being the only one who could have fulfilled all of the Torah's 300+ messianic prophecies.
I am a Christian of the first type that existed, but both many Christians and many Jews refuse to correctly recognize me.

See, in modern Judaism*, you're allowed to accept anyone whosoever as the messiah, as long as he isn't Yeshua.
And in much of modern Christendom*, you're not allowed to be Jewish, or at least it's frowned upon. (Darn. Too bad their savior was Jewish! I guess they'll have to excommunicate Him.)


*not to say biblical Judaism
*not to say biblical Christianity



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21 Oct 2011, 10:25 am

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I marked "Other", because I'm a religious Jew who isn't still waiting for his Messiah, because I believe the Torah clearly points to Yeshua of Nazareth, Him being the only one who could have fulfilled all of the Torah's 300+ messianic prophecies.
I am a Christian of the first type that existed, but both many Christians and many Jews refuse to correctly recognize me.

See, in modern Judaism*, you're allowed to accept anyone whosoever as the messiah, as long as he isn't Yeshua.
And in much of modern Christendom*, you're not allowed to be Jewish, or at least it's frowned upon. (Darn. Too bad their savior was Jewish! I guess they'll have to excommunicate Him.)


*not to say biblical Judaism
*not to say biblical Christianity


If you believe in the Trinity you are no Jew. Read the Shma sometimes.

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21 Oct 2011, 10:47 am

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Ragtime wrote:
I marked "Other", because I'm a religious Jew who isn't still waiting for his Messiah, because I believe the Torah clearly points to Yeshua of Nazareth, Him being the only one who could have fulfilled all of the Torah's 300+ messianic prophecies.
I am a Christian of the first type that existed, but both many Christians and many Jews refuse to correctly recognize me.

See, in modern Judaism*, you're allowed to accept anyone whosoever as the messiah, as long as he isn't Yeshua.
And in much of modern Christendom*, you're not allowed to be Jewish, or at least it's frowned upon. (Darn. Too bad their savior was Jewish! I guess they'll have to excommunicate Him.)


*not to say biblical Judaism
*not to say biblical Christianity


If you believe in the Trinity you are no Jew. Read the Shma sometimes.

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Why is Elohim plural?

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Jews say that the Shema (pronounced Shmah), "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord"1 contradicts the Christian doctrine that Jesus is God. In addition, there are a number of other verses that proclaim that God is one (see God is One). However, the triunity of God is taught throughout the Old Testament, including the Shema! How can a statement of oneness imply plurality? The word translated "one" from the Hebrew is echad, which demonstrates compound unity of oneness. Specific examples of how echad demonstrates compound unity are found below:

For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one [echad] flesh. (Genesis 2:24)
Now the whole earth used the same [echad] language and the same [echad] words. (Genesis 11:1)
And the LORD said, "Behold, they are one [echad] people, and they all have the same [echad] language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. (Genesis 11:6)
Then we will give you our daughters and take your daughters for ourselves. We'll settle among you and become one [echad] people with you. (Genesis 34:16)
Then Moses came and recounted to the people all the words of the LORD and all the ordinances; and all the people answered with one [echad] voice, and said, "All the words which the LORD has spoken we will do!" (Exodus 24:3)
Then they came to the valley of Eshcol and from there cut down a branch with a single [echad] cluster of grapes; and they carried it on a pole between two men, with some of the pomegranates and the figs. (Numbers 13:23)
The whole [echad] assembly numbered 42,360, (Ezra 2:64)
They will be my people, and I will be their God. I will give them singleness [echad] of heart and action, so that they will always fear me for their own good and the good of their children after them. (Jeremiah 32:38-39)


Genesis 1:26
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Genesis 3:22-23
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken."

Interesting in that last passage how He shifts from YHWH ("the LORD"), to "us", back to YHWH instantly, showing that He is both plural and single. It's because he IS one, and that one is also three. No, we can't understand it, and Christians admit they don't. How could any human understand God?

The segol in Hebrew is 3 dots that are considered 1 vowel sound. What if someone asked you which of those three dots you were speaking? You'd say, "Well, all of them." The person might reply, "But you only made ONE sound! How can you say you spoke all three of them?!" Not trying to explain God, just showing one way that three and one can be functionally the same. God, I believe, can function as one and as three. He is, after all, all-powerful.



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21 Oct 2011, 10:56 am

[quote="Ragtime"]

Why is Elohim plural?

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Royal We. For Jews who believe, God is One not Three.

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21 Oct 2011, 11:01 am

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Royal We. For Jews who believe, God is One not Three.

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Please see my last paragraph (recently updated) for how one and three aren't always mutually exclusive. I'm not saying God isn't one -- clearly He is.



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21 Oct 2011, 1:09 pm

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Royal We. For Jews who believe, God is One not Three.

ruveyn


Please see my last paragraph (recently updated) for how one and three aren't always mutually exclusive. I'm not saying God isn't one -- clearly He is.


Personally, I have no problem accepting you as a Christian, regardless if you still connect to the history, ritual, and culture of Judaism.
There is what's called, I believe, Messianic Judaism. I think you'd fit in very well if you could find a congregation practicing this faith near you.

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21 Oct 2011, 1:25 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
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Royal We. For Jews who believe, God is One not Three.

ruveyn


Please see my last paragraph (recently updated) for how one and three aren't always mutually exclusive. I'm not saying God isn't one -- clearly He is.


Personally, I have no problem accepting you as a Christian, regardless if you still connect to the history, ritual, and culture of Judaism.
There is what's called, I believe, Messianic Judaism. I think you'd fit in very well if you could find a congregation practicing this faith near you.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Ya, you're right, and thanks. I identify very strongly as a Jewish person, and as a Christian. Probably makes some people's heads explode. I take it very personally whenever I hear of someone Jewish or Christian being harmed -- that's a lot of people around the world! There's an Orthodox synagogue in the neighborhood where I grew up, and I pass them respectfully in my car or on my motorscooter when they're walking on Friday night/Saturday. I thought of even getting and wearing a t-shirt when on my scooter which says, "Christians must support Israel", just to show my support as a Christian. All Christians owe a special debt to the Jewish people, for giving them the Bible (both parts), and their Savior.



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21 Oct 2011, 2:15 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Royal We. For Jews who believe, God is One not Three.

ruveyn


Please see my last paragraph (recently updated) for how one and three aren't always mutually exclusive. I'm not saying God isn't one -- clearly He is.


Personally, I have no problem accepting you as a Christian, regardless if you still connect to the history, ritual, and culture of Judaism.
There is what's called, I believe, Messianic Judaism. I think you'd fit in very well if you could find a congregation practicing this faith near you.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



Ya, you're right, and thanks. I identify very strongly as a Jewish person, and as a Christian. Probably makes some people's heads explode. I take it very personally whenever I hear of someone Jewish or Christian being harmed -- that's a lot of people around the world! There's an Orthodox synagogue in the neighborhood where I grew up, and I pass them respectfully in my car or on my motorscooter when they're walking on Friday night/Saturday. I thought of even getting and wearing a t-shirt when on my scooter which says, "Christians must support Israel", just to show my support as a Christian. All Christians owe a special debt to the Jewish people, for giving them the Bible (both parts), and their Savior.


The funny thing is that those Orthodox dudes are prolly not as pro-Israel as you are.
And from my experience not terribly pro-Xtian


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22 Oct 2011, 9:34 am

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I'll grant you Sikhism, but Buddhism, in my view, behaves more like a philosophy than a religion. It's not exactly a theistic religion as we are used to, since Buddha is regarded as a "teacher", not a god.


True, but I felt that it would be appropriate to include it in this poll. :)


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22 Oct 2011, 10:34 pm

I was raised Jewish on my mom's side but I'm a lot more spiritual as opposed to religious. I don't like organized religion at all. Most of my beliefs are actually more consistent with Hinduism and Paganism!

I do believe in a higher power, but in a more spiritual way.