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15 Nov 2011, 2:14 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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A better question is "How can anyone claim to be a Christian and also be a Democrat/Labor party member?", my guess being that either they have never read the Bible or only little bits of it and they may be able to interpret any sequence of words to mean whatever they want.


So-called "Christians" have hijacked the Republican party, with their Evango-Fascist ideologies. Spanish and Italian fascists also enjoyed the support of "Christians." Democrat and Labour parties have not claimed to be the exclusive domain of Christianity. However, the overall goals of the Democrat and Labour parties would be much more consistent with a genuinely Christian outlook.


No, supporting sexual immorality, infanticide, lack of death penalty for murderers and rapists, and otherwise PC crap is not consistent with a "genuinely Christian outlook" unless one has some very warped definitions for either the word "genuine", "Christian", or both.


A genuinely Christian outlook calls for complete forgiveness. I'm not saying that Democrats live up to this ideal. Only that Republicans certainly don't. And, Republicans shouldn't pretend that Christianity calls for anything other than complete forgiveness.



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15 Nov 2011, 2:16 pm

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Hold on. First of all, as I understand it, Libertarians subscribe to atheism rather than Christianity.


What, are you even being serious?



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15 Nov 2011, 2:17 pm

pandabear wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
pandabear wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
A better question is "How can anyone claim to be a Christian and also be a Democrat/Labor party member?", my guess being that either they have never read the Bible or only little bits of it and they may be able to interpret any sequence of words to mean whatever they want.


So-called "Christians" have hijacked the Republican party, with their Evango-Fascist ideologies. Spanish and Italian fascists also enjoyed the support of "Christians." Democrat and Labour parties have not claimed to be the exclusive domain of Christianity. However, the overall goals of the Democrat and Labour parties would be much more consistent with a genuinely Christian outlook.


No, supporting sexual immorality, infanticide, lack of death penalty for murderers and rapists, and otherwise PC crap is not consistent with a "genuinely Christian outlook" unless one has some very warped definitions for either the word "genuine", "Christian", or both.


A genuinely Christian outlook calls for complete forgiveness. I'm not saying that Democrats live up to this ideal. Only that Republicans certainly don't. And, Republicans shouldn't pretend that Christianity calls for anything other than complete forgiveness.


Okay you want to claim that, so are you a Christian?



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15 Nov 2011, 2:18 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
pandabear wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
A better question is "How can anyone claim to be a Christian and also be a Democrat/Labor party member?", my guess being that either they have never read the Bible or only little bits of it and they may be able to interpret any sequence of words to mean whatever they want.


So-called "Christians" have hijacked the Republican party, with their Evango-Fascist ideologies. Spanish and Italian fascists also enjoyed the support of "Christians." Democrat and Labour parties have not claimed to be the exclusive domain of Christianity. However, the overall goals of the Democrat and Labour parties would be much more consistent with a genuinely Christian outlook.


No, supporting sexual immorality, infanticide, lack of death penalty for murderers and rapists, and otherwise PC crap is not consistent with a "genuinely Christian outlook" unless one has some very warped definitions for either the word "genuine", "Christian", or both.
I wouldn't give the death penalty to rapists, and I doubt you have red enough of the bible to know that rape is rewarded with death.

I might give the life peanlty to rapists.


First, the word "read" is not spelled "red", Bible is a proper noun,

Aha, so I am dealing with a pedant, lovely. I know how read is spelled and the Bible written but I wouldn't have thought it was worth bothering about when even you knew what I was saying. Well, I guess someone has to get hot under the collar, and I know your correction was not an act of charity either.
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and yes I've read enough of the Bible to know that rape is not rewarded but punished with death so as to discourage it. Do you consider dying a reward?

And yet in the old testament there's a part of the Bible where a slave girl is gang raped to death.

By the way it's 'The' Bible. Not just Bible.
Also you should have put a full stop after "red". Sentences don't end with commas. They end with semi-colons or full-stops (or periods if you are American).



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15 Nov 2011, 2:21 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
pandabear wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
pandabear wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
A better question is "How can anyone claim to be a Christian and also be a Democrat/Labor party member?", my guess being that either they have never read the Bible or only little bits of it and they may be able to interpret any sequence of words to mean whatever they want.


So-called "Christians" have hijacked the Republican party, with their Evango-Fascist ideologies. Spanish and Italian fascists also enjoyed the support of "Christians." Democrat and Labour parties have not claimed to be the exclusive domain of Christianity. However, the overall goals of the Democrat and Labour parties would be much more consistent with a genuinely Christian outlook.


No, supporting sexual immorality, infanticide, lack of death penalty for murderers and rapists, and otherwise PC crap is not consistent with a "genuinely Christian outlook" unless one has some very warped definitions for either the word "genuine", "Christian", or both.


A genuinely Christian outlook calls for complete forgiveness. I'm not saying that Democrats live up to this ideal. Only that Republicans certainly don't. And, Republicans shouldn't pretend that Christianity calls for anything other than complete forgiveness.


Okay you want to claim that, so are you a Christian?


I'm not making a claim that I am a Christian. Only pointing out what I perceive as a disparity between Christianity and Republicanism. Not claiming to be a Christian equips me with a license to identify specks in the eyes of others while ignoring the logs in my own eye.



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15 Nov 2011, 2:21 pm

Libertarians subscribe to the idea that government should back off. That the federal government should be smaller than the local government. I fail entirely to see how that has to do with religion.

As to your other statement, am I paying taxes? Yes and thank you, even if I believe it's being stolen, so again, I don't see how that applies.


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15 Nov 2011, 2:23 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Hold on. First of all, as I understand it, Libertarians subscribe to atheism rather than Christianity.


What, are you even being serious?


Here is Ayn Rand herself

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTmac2fs5HQ[/youtube]



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15 Nov 2011, 2:26 pm

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As for economics, it matters less so long as the government of a nation does not go too far with taxation as to properly be considered theft by anyone who doesn't have a strange doctrine of "any law made is right" or whatever it's various formulations actually are. Caesar might be on the coin, but if all the coins that a person earns are Caesar's then a person can earn nothing.


Do you disagree with Jesus on this point?



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15 Nov 2011, 2:28 pm

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And yet in the old testament there's a part of the Bible where a slave girl is gang raped to death.


That's like saying that the reporting of an event thereby justifies it. You're referring to the wife of a Levite who was killed in a town of a region of the tribe of Benjamin during the period of the Judges. That "gang raping of a slave girl" was the event which started a war. Now if you actually know enough of the Bible yourself, you're probably are going to go into the confused manner in which the war was waged and resolved in absence of the context of history and then go about spinning it according to modern journalistic practices.



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15 Nov 2011, 2:29 pm

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As for economics, it matters less so long as the government of a nation does not go too far with taxation as to properly be considered theft by anyone who doesn't have a strange doctrine of "any law made is right" or whatever it's various formulations actually are. Caesar might be on the coin, but if all the coins that a person earns are Caesar's then a person can earn nothing.


Do you disagree with Jesus on this point?


Do you disagree with Jesus about actual sin?



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15 Nov 2011, 2:30 pm

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So why did Jesus evict the money lenders from the temple using force?


Ok, this is a bit out of context. Those people were charging for entry to church even though they didn't have the authority to.


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15 Nov 2011, 2:31 pm

pandabear wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Hold on. First of all, as I understand it, Libertarians subscribe to atheism rather than Christianity.


What, are you even being serious?


Here is Ayn Rand herself

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTmac2fs5HQ[/youtube]

Ayn Rand isn't a libertarian. She's a cultist with no understanding of the free market.



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15 Nov 2011, 2:31 pm

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Libertarians subscribe to the idea that government should back off. That the federal government should be smaller than the local government. I fail entirely to see how that has to do with religion.

As to your other statement, am I paying taxes? Yes and thank you, even if I believe it's being stolen, so again, I don't see how that applies.


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Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.


Regardless of whether you believe that your money is being stolen, a genuine Christian would simply allow his money to be taken.



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15 Nov 2011, 2:32 pm

pandabear wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
pandabear wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
pandabear wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
A better question is "How can anyone claim to be a Christian and also be a Democrat/Labor party member?", my guess being that either they have never read the Bible or only little bits of it and they may be able to interpret any sequence of words to mean whatever they want.


So-called "Christians" have hijacked the Republican party, with their Evango-Fascist ideologies. Spanish and Italian fascists also enjoyed the support of "Christians." Democrat and Labour parties have not claimed to be the exclusive domain of Christianity. However, the overall goals of the Democrat and Labour parties would be much more consistent with a genuinely Christian outlook.


No, supporting sexual immorality, infanticide, lack of death penalty for murderers and rapists, and otherwise PC crap is not consistent with a "genuinely Christian outlook" unless one has some very warped definitions for either the word "genuine", "Christian", or both.


A genuinely Christian outlook calls for complete forgiveness. I'm not saying that Democrats live up to this ideal. Only that Republicans certainly don't. And, Republicans shouldn't pretend that Christianity calls for anything other than complete forgiveness.


Okay you want to claim that, so are you a Christian?


I'm not making a claim that I am a Christian. Only pointing out what I perceive as a disparity between Christianity and Republicanism. Not claiming to be a Christian equips me with a license to identify specks in the eyes of others while ignoring the logs in my own eye.


Ah, so you have an interpretation of Christianity which is only for Christians to follow, but not for yourself? Fine. Yes, there's going to be disparity between Christianity and Republicanism. They are far from being the same, but in terms of parties which are likely to win with America's messed up electoral system, they are, IMO, the lesser of two evils.



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15 Nov 2011, 2:37 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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And yet in the old testament there's a part of the Bible where a slave girl is gang raped to death.

That's like saying that the reporting of an event thereby justifies it. You're referring to the wife of a Levite who was killed in a town of a region of the tribe of Benjamin during the period of the Judges. That "gang raping of a slave girl" was the event which started a war. Now if you actually know enough of the Bible yourself, you're probably are going to go into the confused manner in which the war was waged and resolved in absence of the context of history and then go about spinning it according to modern journalistic practices.

Wrong. I am referring to the death of a daughter who was also a concubine who was gang raped.



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15 Nov 2011, 2:37 pm

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DC wrote:
So why did Jesus evict the money lenders from the temple using force?


Ok, this is a bit out of context. Those people were charging for entry to church even though they didn't have the authority to.


No, the outer court of the Temple in Jerusalem back in the 1st Century AD was the court for Gentile believers in God to worship Him. The people who were exchanging money for sacrificial animals were taking up space and being a distraction. It wasn't that they were "charging entry" unless you're seeking to use the vaguest of terms. I suppose that could be the case though, since an analogous assembly place to a church prior to the destruction of the temple in 70 AD would have been a synagogue.