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18 Nov 2011, 11:49 pm

Tardis. or some other kind of quantum vortex. Bag of tricks if you will. Bigger on the inside.

Technology. If i had to take things in the bible at face value, I'd have to say we'd been visited by aliens a few times. The book of ezekiel for example.

Either that or it was full of metaphor, and it turned out that they were able to glean enough food from the surrounding land to feed everyone. Many hands making small work and all.

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18 Nov 2011, 11:52 pm

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I am pretty sure they didn't just gather it up, that would not have warranted any special note.

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19 Nov 2011, 12:06 am

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I am pretty sure they didn't just gather it up, that would not have warranted any special note.

I don't know, I figure that people in that society were pretty well versed in how much food they were likely able to get off a given chunk of terrain in a given season.

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19 Nov 2011, 12:34 am

blauSamstag wrote:

shrox wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

I am pretty sure they didn't just gather it up, that would not have warranted any special note.

I don't know, I figure that people in that society were pretty well versed in how much food they were likely able to get off a given chunk of terrain in a given season.

They were on a small island just off the coast, probably no more than a few acres square, and very likely not farmed or populated, since Jesus went over there to escape the pressing crowds.

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19 Nov 2011, 12:35 am

Did I mention the tone of this thread is an absolute dream! Gush!

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19 Nov 2011, 7:15 am

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Space aliens supplied him with Soylent Green.

The scripture clearly says loaves and fish. Not green colored crackers.

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Its like tofu- it can be fashioned to look and feel like anything including loaves and fish!

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19 Nov 2011, 9:49 am

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I think the miracle would be more impressive if it turned out not to be supernatural
that people with extra fish and loaves where adding them to the basket.
a sort of parable of the surplus we would have if we shared rather than horded.

Yes. I tend to agree with Joseph Campbell, an expert on comparative mythologies/religion that if you take something like this literally, you miss the greater spiritual/philosophical truth, and that is that selfless giving tends to promote more selfless giving and thus the multitude are "fed".
In the gnostic gospel of Thomas, which is just a collection of statements attributed to Jesus, there is this:
"If you bring out what is within you, what is within you will save you.
If you do not bring out what is within you, what is within you will destroy you"

I'm not convinced the man didn't wander off and study Buddhism during those lost years.

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19 Nov 2011, 10:02 am

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I'd like to have seen inside that basket that Jesus fed the multitudes with.

Woven straw, just like any other basket. The basket does not tell you how it was filled.

And where did all those extra loaves and fish come from? The sea of Galilee and local ovens.

God made energy (maybe) but nature and man have done the rest.

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19 Nov 2011, 10:35 am

What am I doing in this basket, where is it going, and why is it getting so warm?

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19 Nov 2011, 2:39 pm

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I'd like to have seen inside that basket that Jesus fed the multitudes with.

It was just a basket at hand, I don't attribute any specialness to objects that Jesus might have used or handled.

I am pretty sure the basket "miraculously" gave forth fish. Fishing and gathering are of no significant note as an event.

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19 Nov 2011, 4:29 pm

shrox wrote:

I'd like to have seen inside that basket that Jesus fed the multitudes with.

In both the stories I don't see the word 'basket' mentioned until they were done eating and they went to pick the leftover food up. Neither story says the original food was in a basket or that it was distributed from a basket. So according to the stories, Jesus didn't have a basket. Therefore you could not see inside of it.

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19 Nov 2011, 5:26 pm

shrox wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

shrox wrote:

I'd like to have seen inside that basket that Jesus fed the multitudes with.

Is this the same "ordinary" basket that kept the "ordinary" gaming paraphernalia too???

Much as the parable of "Who pays for the drinks?":

http://www.google.com/search?q=Skinner+ ... =bks&tbo=1

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19 Nov 2011, 6:38 pm

If the people weren't impressed with Jesus creating bread and fish, I heard he was prepared to create breaded fish. Notice the resemblance with the Gordon's Fisherman?

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19 Nov 2011, 6:49 pm

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If the people weren't impressed with Jesus creating bread and fish, I heard he was prepared to create breaded fish. Notice the resemblance with the Gordon's Fisherman?

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19 Nov 2011, 9:34 pm

Because bread and fish are easier to mass produce and cultivate nowadays, it was actually Chuck Norris handing Jesus the fish and bread from the future using a special Magic Basket. It is not a miracle at all, since Chuck Norris can do anything he wants and this is just normal for him.

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19 Nov 2011, 9:47 pm

I guess it's over. Thank you for the discussion.

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