For those that think gun registration is a logical compromis
27 Nov 2011, 1:11 pm
factotum666 wrote:
Abgal64 wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
Abgal64 wrote:
I simply ask this: Who is doing better, the DRC or Cuba? Singapore or the USA? The whole "gun rights" debate is nonsense for many reasons, this is just one of them.
Wow, that's hilarious. You got 2 totalitarian governments, one state that had civil wars and clashes with it's neighbors, and USA which has pretty average crime rates overall. I'd much rather any day of the week take USA over Singapore, least I won't get hanged for having an ounce of weed or something silly like that here in America. Oh, no caning either or having the world's highest per capita execution rate either here in USA. Frankly your comparison is simply appalling.
And that's correct, never seen a Moonie before.
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Secondly, the DRC has is clearly far worse off than Cuba with its HIV/AIDS epidemic, mass use of child soldiers by all significant political parties, horribly low rate of literacy and vaccination, among the globe's worst corruption and sexual violence worse than anywhere else on Earth.
Singapore has free and fair elections, is among the best country on Earth with regards to corruption, education, wealth and sanitation, all despite having no natural resources and a population about the size of Kentucky. I would love to move to Singapore from here in Northern California, because I would not do stupid things and get canned.
And, let us not forget the liberal democracies of Iceland, the country with the lowest GINI coefficient on Earth, Germany, the 4th largest economy on Earth, Luxembourg, the richest country on Earth per capita, and Denmark, regarded by many as the happiest country on Earth when we talk about "gun rights."
Is anybody here familiar with racist facts; Like white men can't jump? If you remove non whites, & non asians from all the comparisons that people make of the US with other countries we move from the bottom to the middle and top depending on what statistics that you use. This does not mean that blacks or hispanics are somehow genetically inferior. It does mean that, for whatever reasons, white cultures are measurably better by most standards. (Check the numbers in the country in various states along with how 'white' or 'asian' they are.) It may be that, as a result of how whites have dealt with blacks and hispanics, their cultures have become toxic. I do not know.
It should be noted that Latin countries also have "gun control", for example Mexico. But the places that have low crime are almost always white or asian.
For those who come up with exceptions to the above. I am aware that ll generalizations are false including this one.
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27 Nov 2011, 1:51 pm
"Race is pseudoscience, so your argument is nonsense. Culture is real, race is not, and thus the former has nothing to do with the latter."
Great. Now, if you would offer an explanation of how culture affected the growth of short twitch muscle fibers in human legs -- their lack in whites compared to blacks is THE reason that white men can't jump
Also, how is this statement "It may be that, as a result of how whites have dealt with blacks and hispanics, their cultures have become toxic. I do not know." not directly addressing the culture issue? Do you just skim before answering>?
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27 Nov 2011, 10:49 pm
factotum666 wrote:
"Race is pseudoscience, so your argument is nonsense. Culture is real, race is not, and thus the former has nothing to do with the latter."
Great. Now, if you would offer an explanation of how culture affected the growth of short twitch muscle fibers in human legs -- their lack in whites compared to blacks is THE reason that white men can't jump
Also, how is this statement "It may be that, as a result of how whites have dealt with blacks and hispanics, their cultures have become toxic. I do not know." not directly addressing the culture issue? Do you just skim before answering>?
I did not say their are not physical differences between humans: I said that race, which is the practice of extending physical differences between humans and using them to explain culture. And the genetic differences between any region of people and another region of people are always purely physical and quite minor in that. They have nothing to do with the brain and thus, because humans are sapient beings and sapient beings use their minds to manipulate their surroundings, not their bodies, it is of no real importance if some people have shorter muscle fibers in their legs, vary in height or have slanted eyes, is of no matter. Thus, in short, your first argument is nonsense.
Great. Now, if you would offer an explanation of how culture affected the growth of short twitch muscle fibers in human legs -- their lack in whites compared to blacks is THE reason that white men can't jump
Also, how is this statement "It may be that, as a result of how whites have dealt with blacks and hispanics, their cultures have become toxic. I do not know." not directly addressing the culture issue? Do you just skim before answering>?
Once again, you are falling into the race trap by speaking of "whites", "blacks" and Hispanics, the latter of which is not even a racial category in any sense but rather an ethnolinguistic grouping of peoples whose culture is dominated by that of Iberia (hence the name "Hispanic.") Even the Spanish and Portuguese colonial overlords of used terms like "mestizo", "zambo", "mulatto", "pardo", &c. for their version of the race myth; in short, "Hispanic" simply means "[culturally] of the Iberian Peninsula."
Finally, what do you mean by "black" cultures, by which I assume you mean the very diverse Subsahelian African cultures, nations and civilizations, and "Hispanic" culture[s], which are very diverse and includes Mexico, Cuba, Guatemala, Peru, Bolivia, Brazil, Equatorial Guinea, among many other countries, having become "toxic?"
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27 Nov 2011, 11:32 pm
Abgal64 wrote:
factotum666 wrote:
"Race is pseudoscience, so your argument is nonsense. Culture is real, race is not, and thus the former has nothing to do with the latter."
Great. Now, if you would offer an explanation of how culture affected the growth of short twitch muscle fibers in human legs -- their lack in whites compared to blacks is THE reason that white men can't jump
Also, how is this statement "It may be that, as a result of how whites have dealt with blacks and hispanics, their cultures have become toxic. I do not know." not directly addressing the culture issue? Do you just skim before answering>?
I did not say their are not physical differences between humans: I said that race, which is the practice of extending physical differences between humans and using them to explain culture. And the genetic differences between any region of people and another region of people are always purely physical and quite minor in that. Great. Now, if you would offer an explanation of how culture affected the growth of short twitch muscle fibers in human legs -- their lack in whites compared to blacks is THE reason that white men can't jump
Also, how is this statement "It may be that, as a result of how whites have dealt with blacks and hispanics, their cultures have become toxic. I do not know." not directly addressing the culture issue? Do you just skim before answering>?
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They have nothing to do with the brain
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and thus, because humans are sapient beings and sapient beings use their minds to manipulate their surroundings, not their bodies, it is of no real importance if some people have shorter muscle fibers in their legs, vary in height or have slanted eyes, is of no matter. Thus, in short, your first argument is nonsense.
that would indeed be true if 1. the brain were not an actual physical organ subject to the same evolutionary pressures as the rest of the body, and two, assumes that the different races do not have different mental abilities that were and are shaped by their environments over the past 500 generations. I see no evidence to support either view, and I do see some non trivial evidence that supports the contrary. Here is one tidbit. Take some graph paper. On the vertical axis draw something like homicide rates, geheral health, life expectancy, number of patents per population, any clearly measurable thing that you want. On the horizontal axis draw the number of years for which that population had written language skills as a means of achieving high status in the local culture. Compare China, Japan, Jews, europeans, native americans, Indians, Africans or any other groups. Tell me what you see. Then tell me what the evidence supports Quote:
Once again, you are falling into the race trap by speaking of "whites", "blacks" and Hispanics, the latter of which is not even a racial category in any sense but rather an ethnolinguistic grouping of peoples whose culture is dominated by that of Iberia (hence the name "Hispanic.") Even the Spanish and Portuguese colonial overlords of used terms like "mestizo", "zambo", "mulatto", "pardo", &c. for their version of the race myth; in short, "Hispanic" simply means "[culturally] of the Iberian Peninsula."
Finally, what do you mean by "black" cultures, by which I assume you mean the very diverse Subsahelian African cultures, nations and civilizations, and "Hispanic" culture[s], which are very diverse and includes Mexico, Cuba, Guatemala, Peru, Bolivia, Brazil, Equatorial Guinea, among many other countries, hang become "toxic?"
As above, pick some measurable standard, and compare the countries that you list with countries in europe. Or Japan, or india
Other kinds of maps are also available. By toxic. Well, I think that most people would agree that areas with high mortality rates, low education rates, hi HIV rates, high crime rates etc etc. are more toxic as compared with other areas that have the opposite numbers. I hope that this clears things up.
Now what this means in terms of drug wars, or criminal justice system, or the systemic descrimination of police forces against people of color is a different argument entirely. But the information is the information, and one ignores it at ones peril. As my signature says: Nature can not be fooled.
This will help: http://www.indexmundi.com/map.aspx?v=HI ... e+rate(%25)&co=eu
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28 Nov 2011, 12:01 am
factotum666 wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, there is little or no evidence to support these statements, and a lot of evidence to the contrary.
You are trying to debunk my claim about "angry mobs vs. single home owner with gun" with examples about "angry mobs vs states". The most stupid hindsight though is that there is always one or two policemen that are at least greatly injured during the fight between angry mob and armed police. So, if even armed police can't really handle it well, a dude with his gun will not do that well.
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