Republicans: still conservatives or just theo-fascists?

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02 Mar 2012, 5:59 am

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Jacoby wrote:

Republican and Democrats are both for most part borderline fascists.

I wouldn't say that the Democrats are borderline fascists. But they aren't really all that different from the Republicans. It's the difference between the right and the far right.

^^^This.

Obama is slightly more right than the German right-wing party, which makes the Republican accusations of him being a communist utterly hilarious. As for the Republican party, I don't understand how American conservatives can't see how dangerous they are. We tend to view parties with a similar agenda as radical extremists. I find it frightening that they have such a huge following in the USA.

You mean Obama's a Nazi?

If by those standards Obama is a Nazi, than I don't know what to call the Republicans.

But no, the German Right wing isn't Naziism anymore.

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02 Mar 2012, 10:27 am

Vexcalibur wrote:

http://www.alternet.org/visions/154194/a_conservative_explains_why_right-wingers_have_no_compassion?page=1

Very nice article. Thanks.

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02 Mar 2012, 11:00 am

What scares the sh** out of me is the American people re-elected GWB in 2004. Please help I'm running out of Depends!

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02 Mar 2012, 11:10 am

Oldout wrote:

What scares the sh** out of me is the American people re-elected GWB in 2004. Please help I'm running out of Depends!

I assume you are not a big fan of democracy.

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02 Mar 2012, 12:04 pm

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What scares the sh** out of me is the American people re-elected GWB in 2004. Please help I'm running out of Depends!

I agree - the American electorate from time to time makes me s**t my pants, too!

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02 Mar 2012, 12:27 pm

When the GOP debate audience cheered the line, "let them die" about health care, you just knew things were getting bad.

Moderate Repubilcans were like wtf?

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02 Mar 2012, 12:34 pm

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When the GOP debate audience cheered the line, "let them die" about health care, you just knew things were getting bad.

Moderate Repubilcans were like wtf?

And this is supposed to be the party of values? I thought the sort of values they're supposed to represent include caring for the least among us.

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02 Mar 2012, 12:44 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

simon_says wrote:

When the GOP debate audience cheered the line, "let them die" about health care, you just knew things were getting bad.

Moderate Repubilcans were like wtf?

And this is supposed to be the party of values? I thought the sort of values they're supposed to represent include caring for the least among us.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

That would come under the heading of Charity, not tax-plunder.

Do you want to take care of The Least Among Us. Then dig into your pocket and not mine.

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02 Mar 2012, 12:58 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

simon_says wrote:

When the GOP debate audience cheered the line, "let them die" about health care, you just knew things were getting bad.

Moderate Repubilcans were like wtf?

And this is supposed to be the party of values? I thought the sort of values they're supposed to represent include caring for the least among us.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

That would come under the heading of Charity, not tax-plunder.

Do you want to take care of The Least Among Us. Then dig into your pocket and not mine.

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It's actually in our best national interest to care for the underprivileged and handicapped, as we all do better when people aren't dying in poverty.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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02 Mar 2012, 12:58 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Oldout wrote:

What scares the sh** out of me is the American people re-elected GWB in 2004. Please help I'm running out of Depends!

I assume you are not a big fan of democracy.

ruveyn

Considering that Bush didn't get the most votes, there were widespread allegations of voter fraud in the same state where his brother was governor and a supreme court decided who was to be president rather than the votes of the people, neither is the republican party.

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02 Mar 2012, 1:01 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

simon_says wrote:

When the GOP debate audience cheered the line, "let them die" about health care, you just knew things were getting bad.

Moderate Repubilcans were like wtf?

And this is supposed to be the party of values? I thought the sort of values they're supposed to represent include caring for the least among us.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

That would come under the heading of Charity, not tax-plunder.

Do you want to take care of The Least Among Us. Then dig into your pocket and not mine.

ruveyn

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It's actually in our best national interest to care for the underprivileged and handicapped, as we all do better when people aren't dying in poverty.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

If they understood that:

- Less social inequality means less crime.
- Access to heatlhcare for everyone actually benefits everyone.
- Clean air actually benefits everyone.

And so on, they wouldn't be republicans. I'm to the right myself, but even I think the Republican policies are idiotic at this time.

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02 Mar 2012, 1:04 pm

TM wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

simon_says wrote:

When the GOP debate audience cheered the line, "let them die" about health care, you just knew things were getting bad.

Moderate Repubilcans were like wtf?

And this is supposed to be the party of values? I thought the sort of values they're supposed to represent include caring for the least among us.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

That would come under the heading of Charity, not tax-plunder.

Do you want to take care of The Least Among Us. Then dig into your pocket and not mine.

ruveyn

ruveyn

It's actually in our best national interest to care for the underprivileged and handicapped, as we all do better when people aren't dying in poverty.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Good for you.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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02 Mar 2012, 1:10 pm

TM wrote:

That is a prudential argument for choosing the lesser of evils, not an advocacy of charity. The basic impulse of charity is justice, not paying into a protection racket.

You are saying: help the poor or they will beat us up. Did I get that right?

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02 Mar 2012, 1:19 pm

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No, but the fact remains, people in desperate poverty might do desperate things in order to survive. It's better that we all collectively keep that from happening to people.
As I recall, you had stated before that if your loved ones were in danger, you might be willing to even kill. Well, what if your family were starving? Would you be willing to steal, or maybe deal drugs? I will admit freely, if it comes down to my little girl eating, I could be easily tempted to do bad things.

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02 Mar 2012, 1:23 pm

ruveyn wrote:

TM wrote:

This whole thing we call society is a protection/bribery racket. People are only willing to abide by the social contract if it benefits them or if they are forced to. You can spend the money on a strong police force, a huge criminal justice system, lawyers and a gigantic inhuman prison system or give people some cash to get back on their feet, or at least keep them from robbing people. Either way you're spending the money. About the prison system, I'm not against prisons, I'm against the American prison system, because quite often the punishment of the system exceeds the damage done by the crime. This is not punishment literally done by the law, but the punishment of being gang raped, extorted, abused and possibly murdered by other prisoners and sometimes guards .

How is "Help the poor or they will beat us up" any different from "Don't tax the rich or they will take their magical job creation power away"?

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02 Mar 2012, 1:28 pm

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No, but the fact remains, people in desperate poverty might do desperate things in order to survive. It's better that we all collectively keep that from happening to people.

"They might do desperate things...." You have just contradicted yourself. The threat is this: Give me money or I will become desperate .... . That sounds like a threat and charity now becomes a Protection Racket. I suggest you take some quiet time and learn the virtues of Logical Consistency.

Might I suggest an alternative: any one who becomes desperate and misbehaves, gets a bullet in a vital place. That will do just as well and is cheaper than charity. Compare the cost of a bullet to the cost of keeping someone alive who cannot earn his keep.

Did Jesus say: Render unto Kaiser what is Kaiser's or he will bust your knee caps? Or did Jesus say render unto God's what is God's or you will burn in Hell?

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