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11 Mar 2012, 10:36 am

I am all for govt providing birth control cause if people cant afford birth control, then they certainly cant afford kids which then will mean they will be on some sort of govt assistance. 30 dollars a month is alot cheaper for the govt than over a thousand dollars a month in benefits.
And yes I been so poor at one time that 30 dollars a month seemed like alot of money.

This war on contraceptives makes absolutely no sense to me. The US cant seem to provide for the children it has as 1 in 4 children are hungry, so why should we encourage more to be born??

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11 Mar 2012, 7:46 pm

Funny thing is most of us have the most effective birth control of them all: Asperger's syndrome.

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11 Mar 2012, 8:39 pm

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Funny thing is most of us have the most effective birth control of them all: Asperger's syndrome.

Are you so quite sure that AS people have significantly less chances to reproduce?

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12 Mar 2012, 2:58 am

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why would there be a limit on how much birth control a person used?

It is simple. If there is no limit to the amount of birth control I can have for free, then what is stopping me from walking into a birth control outlet and demanding one million condoms?

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12 Mar 2012, 7:51 am

For once you wouldn't be able to take them out of the store yourself.

It is a tad ridiculous to oppose giving insured birth control because supposedly it is impossible to limit how much people would take (Begging the question are we?).

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12 Mar 2012, 10:42 am

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hyperlexian wrote:

why would there be a limit on how much birth control a person used?

It is simple. If there is no limit to the amount of birth control I can have for free, then what is stopping me from walking into a birth control outlet and demanding one million condoms?

decency as a human being and the knowledge that such an act would serve no purpose but to prove a point about you, not contraception and the payment thereof?

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12 Mar 2012, 12:02 pm

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Where is the limit for the amount of children born to parents unable or unwilling to financially support their offspring?

That is nonsensical and completely unrelated to my question.

The only reason to impose limits on birth control that I can see would be financial. I was comparing the cost of that birth control on public resources to the cost of welfare beneficiaries that might have otherwise used prevention. As for limits on types of birth control offered, why not provide all? At least some type of coverage.

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12 Mar 2012, 12:04 pm

Oodain wrote:

Burzum wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

why would there be a limit on how much birth control a person used?

It is simple. If there is no limit to the amount of birth control I can have for free, then what is stopping me from walking into a birth control outlet and demanding one million condoms?

decency as a human being and the knowledge that such an act would serve no purpose but to prove a point about you, not contraception and the payment thereof?

Plus if condoms were free, there would be no way to make a profit with them, in fact, you would be wasting a lot of energy and money in transportation and storage-

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12 Mar 2012, 12:09 pm

AstroGeek wrote:

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You are an utter idiot if you think birth control is a leisure activity

It is risible that you would call me an idiot after somehow managing to interpret my comment as implying that birth control itself is a leisure activity. :lmao:

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Birth control reduces government spending and thus there are no rational arguments against using tax payer money on it

There are very rational arguments against it that vary depending on how you plan to spend tax payer money on it. Are you advocating making it free to anyone that wants it?

It would probably reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies and thus single mothers if it is free. Single mothers make up a hug portion of welfare recipients, so the government very well could save money in the long run if free birth control is available.

We could save much more money if we implanted welfare recipients with Norplant as a condition of receiving welfare.

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12 Mar 2012, 12:19 pm

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We could save much more money if we implanted welfare recipients with Norplant as a condition of receiving welfare.

Ouch, definite money saver, but haven't the eugenics boards already been disbanded on moral grounds?

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12 Mar 2012, 12:23 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:

Oodain wrote:

Burzum wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

why would there be a limit on how much birth control a person used?

It is simple. If there is no limit to the amount of birth control I can have for free, then what is stopping me from walking into a birth control outlet and demanding one million condoms?

decency as a human being and the knowledge that such an act would serve no purpose but to prove a point about you, not contraception and the payment thereof?

Plus if condoms were free, there would be no way to make a profit with them, in fact, you would be wasting a lot of energy and money in transportation and storage-

no you wouldnt be able to jack up prices to much more than the cost of production, there will still be jobs making them.
same goes for many surgical supplies in socialized nations and defense contracts in the us(they however serve as an argument that people make too much on these kinds of deals)

furthermore i really do think there are some areas where the price of goods should NOT be based on profits in any way, i would even go so far as to regulate the maximum profit of any company providing health services, again there will still be plenty of jobs left.

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12 Mar 2012, 2:24 pm

Burzum wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

why would there be a limit on how much birth control a person used?

It is simple. If there is no limit to the amount of birth control I can have for free, then what is stopping me from walking into a birth control outlet and demanding one million condoms?

i cannot imagine very many people doing that, so it's kind of an absurd question. also, most birth control outlets do not keep a million condoms on hand.

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12 Mar 2012, 4:19 pm

So what of the woman who takes oral contraceptives for a medical reason?

I can think of several conditions for which oral contraceptives would be a strategy that I would recommend to a patient. Are these women to forego coverage from their drug plans?

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12 Mar 2012, 10:13 pm

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decency as a human being and the knowledge that such an act would serve no purpose but to prove a point about you, not contraception and the payment thereof?

So you're relying on human decency for it to work? If it is freely available without any limitations, then people are going to exploit it. You cannot possibly deny that.

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supposedly it is impossible to limit how much people would take

I'm not making that argument at all, otherwise I wouldn't be asking for a limit. Which for some reason no one has yet provided me with.

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Plus if condoms were free, there would be no way to make a profit with them

Absolutely not true. You can sell them to other countries on eBay, which in effect would mean that your country would be subsidizing the use of contraception in other countries. And I'm sure people will find plenty of ways of using the materials in condoms in the production of other goods.

We're only at the tip of the iceberg here, I was expecting someone to just give me a limit so I could make further arguments.

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i cannot imagine very many people doing that, so it's kind of an absurd question

You're focusing on the intentional hyperbole of the question and ignoring the principle. How about if I demand five hundred condoms? Is that feasible? What if I demand five hundred condoms per day?

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12 Mar 2012, 10:29 pm

Burzum wrote:

Oodain wrote:

decency as a human being and the knowledge that such an act would serve no purpose but to prove a point about you, not contraception and the payment thereof?

So you're relying on human decency for it to work? If it is freely available without any limitations, then people are going to exploit it. You cannot possibly deny that.

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supposedly it is impossible to limit how much people would take

I'm not making that argument at all, otherwise I wouldn't be asking for a limit. Which for some reason no one has yet provided me with.

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Plus if condoms were free, there would be no way to make a profit with them

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i cannot imagine very many people doing that, so it's kind of an absurd question

You're focusing on the intentional hyperbole of the question and ignoring the principle. How about if I demand five hundred condoms? Is that feasible? What if I demand five hundred condoms per day?

Honestly, I doubt you would need any hard and fast rules. Very few people would try to exploit the system. And I think some common sense on behalf of the person who is running the place where condoms are being distributed would be enough to stop those few who would from walking off with 500 condoms.

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12 Mar 2012, 11:45 pm

why would you want 500 condoms per day?

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