Do you think marijuana should be legalised?

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02 Apr 2012, 1:48 am

it should be but they give outrageously high taxes on it to stop people from having to much.



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02 Apr 2012, 1:53 am

Prohibition definitely needs to end


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02 Apr 2012, 2:29 am

I've noticed that my cats medicate and drug themselves. If they suffer from indigestion, they chew grass to add more fiber to their diet. If they have too much hair in their stomach and need to throw up, they swallow the grass blades whole. If they are in pain, they chew cyperus. My previous cat started to eat vast amounts of this plant when she suffered from arthritis and liver problems in her old age, and my current cats eat cyperus when they have no appetite, which is a sign of an upset stomach. I assume that cyperus contains a natural painkiller. And if my cats want to get high, they go and sniff catnip.

I believe that all animals do this. They both medicate themselves and use recreational drugs. It's part instinct and part empirical value. Humans are no different in this respect. I use hops to calm my nerves, camomile to combat gastrointestinal inflammation, fennel to aid my digestion, caraway against flatulence, and so on. If I want to, I can grow all those plants and herbs in my own garden. There is no reason for me to rely on the pharmaceutical industry, which focuses on patentable drugs rather than natural substances with minimal side effects.

Besides, who knows what the future holds (global warming, peak oil, resource depletion etc.)? It is foolish to rely on a pharmaceutical supply chain that might not be around forever, and discard herbal medical knowledge that has been handed down over many generations.

To get to the point and back on topic, cannabis is a medical plant. Even people who only use marijuana for recreational purposes are self-medicating. Recreation helps relax, reduces stress, and prevents burnout, anxiety and depression. The government has no business interfering with people's natural and species-appropriate behavior, imho. Growing plants and using them for self-treatment is something that we have done for millennia, and arbitrary laws won't stop us from pursuing our natural way of life.



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02 Apr 2012, 2:41 am

Yes, I do think that cannabis should be made legal.



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02 Apr 2012, 4:06 am

Alcohol, tobacco and caffeine is legal.

Cannabis should be legal.

Coca leaf should be legal in it's natural form for medicinal use.


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02 Apr 2012, 4:51 am

for sure should be legal. Absolutely ridiculous people go to jail for it.



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02 Apr 2012, 5:42 am

CrazyCatLord wrote:
I've noticed that my cats medicate and drug themselves. If they suffer from indigestion, they chew grass to add more fiber to their diet. If they have too much hair in their stomach and need to throw up, they swallow the grass blades whole. If they are in pain, they chew cyperus. My previous cat started to eat vast amounts of this plant when she suffered from arthritis and liver problems in her old age, and my current cats eat cyperus when they have no appetite, which is a sign of an upset stomach. I assume that cyperus contains a natural painkiller. And if my cats want to get high, they go and sniff catnip.

I believe that all animals do this. They both medicate themselves and use recreational drugs. It's part instinct and part empirical value. Humans are no different in this respect. I use hops to calm my nerves, camomile to combat gastrointestinal inflammation, fennel to aid my digestion, caraway against flatulence, and so on. If I want to, I can grow all those plants and herbs in my own garden. There is no reason for me to rely on the pharmaceutical industry, which focuses on patentable drugs rather than natural substances with minimal side effects.

Besides, who knows what the future holds (global warming, peak oil, resource depletion etc.)? It is foolish to rely on a pharmaceutical supply chain that might not be around forever, and discard herbal medical knowledge that has been handed down over many generations.

To get to the point and back on topic, cannabis is a medical plant. Even people who only use marijuana for recreational purposes are self-medicating. Recreation helps relax, reduces stress, and prevents burnout, anxiety and depression. The government has no business interfering with people's natural and species-appropriate behavior, imho. Growing plants and using them for self-treatment is something that we have done for millennia, and arbitrary laws won't stop us from pursuing our natural way of life.


Bravo. One of the best arguments I've read on the issue.


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02 Apr 2012, 6:30 am

its one of those issues where the answer will actually be an argument of character in my eyes.

it should be legalized as a priority one issue here in denmark,
the biker gangs make a huge ammount of money on importing and selling cannabis, legalizing it and allowing people to grow their own would be a major blow to their organization.


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02 Apr 2012, 7:48 am

Imagine if you could grow liter bottles of scotch in your own back yard.

Just plant a few seeds, and then a few weeks you could dig up bottles of Johnny Walker like they were potatoes.

The whole liguor industry would collapse.

But lets say they reinstated Prohibition and it became illegal to grow your own whisky bottles.

You would have to buy your whisky on the street corner, and you would end up financing illegal cartels.

Then lets say they repeal Prohibition again.
But only allowed private gardening of whiskey, and continued to prohibit interstate commerce of the stuff.

People would go back to growing their own. The illegal cartels would collapse, or go into other vices. But the legal whiskey industry would not reappear because it had already collapsed when we discovered how to grow our own when it had been legal before.

Subsititute the word marajuana for "whiskey" in the above story.

Thats what we should do - allow folks to grow the weed in their own backyards for their own use.
But not necessarily allow an industry of interstate commerce in it to grow up.



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02 Apr 2012, 8:37 am

The illegality of marijuana at this point seems nonsequitur - unless the federal governments around the world have some awareness that so many of the different independent research labs and even college psychology books don't.

As far as 'all plants' though; I don't see much positive coming from giving people cart blanc to skii or shoot up but I would agree that things like psilocybin have a lot of upside potential and on the conservative side mushrooms would be great tools for a psychotherapist to have in working with patients, at the same time though I could see it also being open to the public - though clearly the establishments offering it would need to have a vetting process for those wishing to partake based on mental health, prior use, etc., and in ways that are balanced enough to where they make sense.


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02 Apr 2012, 11:21 am

HippyCharles wrote:
if some random guy wants to smoke a joint in his basement I really couldn't care less, I don't think the government should either.


As long as they keep it at that, then fine. I don't want it to get out of hand, like cigarette smoking used to be. People smoking in restaurants, other public places, just made them a public nuisance. I don't want marijuana smoking to become the public nuisance that tobacco used to be.



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02 Apr 2012, 12:00 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
HippyCharles wrote:
if some random guy wants to smoke a joint in his basement I really couldn't care less, I don't think the government should either.


As long as they keep it at that, then fine. I don't want it to get out of hand, like cigarette smoking used to be. People smoking in restaurants, other public places, just made them a public nuisance. I don't want marijuana smoking to become the public nuisance that tobacco used to be.


I doubt you'll find many people screaming to be allowed to smoke inside of most public buildings again.

It's just common courtesy to go outside these days, which isn't a bad thing.


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02 Apr 2012, 12:02 pm

No. Usage historically skyrockets when a substance is decriminalized, and the causative relationship between cannabis and psychotic illness places it in a category unique from currently-legal drugs...which themselves are responsible for millions of dollars in health care.


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02 Apr 2012, 12:30 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
No. Usage historically skyrockets when a substance is decriminalized, and the causative relationship between cannabis and psychotic illness places it in a category unique from currently-legal drugs...which themselves are responsible for millions of dollars in health care.


US usage and Netherland usage are similar percentage wise.

A correlation with psychotic illnesses doesn't prove causation.



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02 Apr 2012, 1:20 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
No. Usage historically skyrockets when a substance is decriminalized, and the causative relationship between cannabis and psychotic illness places it in a category unique from currently-legal drugs...which themselves are responsible for millions of dollars in health care.


I suspect the "skyrocketing use" (such as seen after alcohol prohibition) has more to do with people openly using rather than new users. Where I live, occasional cannabis use is extremely common, amongst much of the population (that is Quebec for you.. ahh) and we do not seem to have higher rates of psychotic illness than places which do not use in abundance. There has never been definitive proof that cannabis causes psychosis, the only data that points in that direction is data on users who are mentally ill to begin with; there is a correlation between mentally ill people using drugs or alcohol to self medicate..


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02 Apr 2012, 1:29 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
No. Usage historically skyrockets when a substance is decriminalized, and the causative relationship between cannabis and psychotic illness places it in a category unique from currently-legal drugs...which themselves are responsible for millions of dollars in health care.


Cannabis does not cause psychosis. What it *can* do is trigger it in people who are already mentally ill.


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