Did Jesus or His followers start a new religion?

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I am not the one claiming Christianity is Biblical Judaism



Just as likely to be describing Mithras, or another contemporary religious figure with many similarities to the Jesus story. Almost everyone has or wants an underdog prophet. Sometimes you'll take a shoe out of a pile and it will be your size

All the Old Testament messianic prophecies taken together (there are over 300) form an air-tight argument for the historical Jesus of Nazareth being the O.T.-prophesied messiah, ...
A couple of those are that the messiah would be born in Bethlehem, and that he would arrive before the destruction of the second Temple (which was in 70 AD).

In the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible)

Most of the textual requirements concerning the messiah, what he will do, and what will be done during his reign are located within the Book of Isaiah, although requirements are mentioned in other prophets as well.
The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)
Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance (Isaiah 2:4)
The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)
He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8–10)
The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 53:7)
Nations will recognize the wrongs they did Israel (Isaiah 52:13–53:5)
The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot
He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)
He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13–15, Ezekiel 36:29–30, Isaiah 11:6–9)

The "real" Christians do more than claim Jesus was the prophetized Messia. They claim he was God incarnate.

That is fracking blasphemy.

ruveyn

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Of the greatness of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David’s throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.

“The days are coming,” declares the LORD,
“when I will raise up for David[a] a righteous Branch,
a King who will reign wisely
and do what is just and right in the land.
In his days Judah will be saved
and Israel will live in safety.
This is the name by which he will be called:
The LORD Our Righteous Savior.

"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.”

That is fracking blasphemy.

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Yes it is. And besides there is no point in quoting scripture which is mostly a collection of Bronze Age campfire stories.

ruveyn

Well, whether or not the Old Testament is in error is not what this thread is addressing, but rather why Jewish believers in Jesus, just like those in the first century, would see Jesus' messiahship and divinity in the Jewish Scriptures.

So its all Paul's fault for preaching to the Gentiles.
Jesus was only addressing Jews.

The apostles and the believers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him and said, “You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them.”
Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story: “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’

“I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’

“The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’ This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.

“Right then three men who had been sent to me from Caesarea stopped at the house where I was staying. The Spirit told me to have no hesitation about going with them. These six brothers also went with me, and we entered the man’s house. He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.’

“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.’ So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?” When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.”

Jesus was to witness only to Jews in Israel, and Paul was later called to preach to Gentiles outside of Israel.

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the Jeez for Jewsus are an embarrassment to the rest of us. A bunch of fruit cakes.

ruveyn

Well, c'mon, ruveyn, you're in some strange Judaism offshoot that claims a lot of the Old Testament is b.s., and that you guys have a certain special secret knowledge about God. My uncle was in something like that, and he took me to one of his group's meetings once. It was weird.

Have you run your theory by your Jewish friends to see what they think?

Well, c'mon, ruveyn, you're in some strange Judaism offshoot that claims a lot of the Old Testament is b.s., and that you guys have a certain special secret knowledge about God. My uncle was in something like that, and he took me to one of his group's meetings once. It was weird.

Have you run your theory by your Jewish friends to see what they think?