Original Sin

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Slightly off topic: Acknowledging that Christians who are ignorant of evolution believe that everyone descended from Adam and Eve. But the question believers have never explained to me is where did those other women come from that Cane / Abel hitched up with?

What is original about stealing fruit from someone else's tree or looking at the back of the book for answers to questions?

ruveyn

I do not agree with the concept because people are not born sinful.

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here is my 2 1/2 cents.

I have to wonder what sort of world we live in when I have to read through 3/4 of a page of postings before I can even see a meaning post on topic and not a bunch of argument over the relevance of the question in the first place.

Secondly I think most people seem to have the whole wrong idea about original sin. Its not that we aare held responsible for our parents or ancestors sin by any means other then we are sinful by birth. What so called "innocent" child do you know has to be taught to lie. In time and usually soon after then begin to communicate they just automatically learn that they need to lie to get certain things they want. Until taught otherwise they usually steal anything they desire. So we are not being held responsible for Adams and Eves sins as much as they were sinful and being related to them so are we.
Then there is the whole other topic of the nature of sin. This I will keep short:
Romans 5:12 American Standard Version (ASV)
12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--
By the above sin is less of a choice on our part and more of an intangible force that has entered into human nature. In this respect one could say that sin has entered into and corrupted our DNA which is passed from generation to generation. So we are not responsible for our ancestors actions but we might be affected by them.

As for incest there was no incest at the time. It was much much later in the bible history before God decided that incest would actually be a sin. Although the bible does not actually say where all those people came from there is only two logical ideas.
1) Adam and Eve had many children who married sisters or cousins or whatever and this was not in any way a sin at the time.
2) God created other groups in other possible gardens or whatever.
As for me I tend to favor 1 but who has proof one way or the other.

The original poster asked the question why didn't god forgive adam and eve. Actually sin cannot exist in the sight of God and the only way in the bible that is said to have been able to remove sin is by Christ. And as we all know Christ was not even born until around 4000 years after Adam and Eve originally sinned. At that time there was no actual method to forgive sin in place. The Jewish system did not even exist for thousands of years after. So who is to say that god did not forgive them in his own way and his own preoperative. something must have happened because descendants of Adan and Eve who pleased God were routinely called upon to serve God in various ways.

Someone above mentioned how religion is not fair. Personally I see no connection whatsoever between Religion and God. Religion is often corrupt. Although it tries to serve the needs and will of God it is in fact an organization of flawed humans and as such will be flawed in its own way. Some vary more then others. If we were all perfect enough and had a religion that was perfect in the eyes of God we would in fact have need of only one such religion. the fact we have so many variations only indicates that most if not all are flawed in various ways. Who is to say which one is right or which one is wrong. As for me personally I have found several that I thought were very close but my beliefs tend to never fall into anyone existing religion. But I find it amazing how many can twist and change the words of the bible in so many ways. I just like to find god and follow that and the only guaranteed direction I believe can be trusted in well translated English bible and exhaustive concordance with Greek and Hebrew dictionaries along side to double check everything.

Interesting.

So we inherited our proclivity and inclination to commit sins from Adam and Eve.

The original sin was just the first two humans demonstrating their flawed character.
Not them incurring a debt that we are still paying.

We are actually being punished for our own sins, or our own sinful nature.

Were not being punish for what A+E did, just for being no better than A+E,

But that still leaves the question: if God screwed up and made us imperfect, then why is he punishing us for his mistake?