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31 May 2012, 11:55 pm
Kjas wrote:
Shatbat wrote:
In my country, Colombia, at least two politicians that appeared to be like what you said were assassinated when it was obvious they would win the elections. Other promising ones are just not proposed as candidates for important places, although once on my city someone won the Mayor elections in the capital without funding and without belonging to any party (with a certain number of signatures from people anyone is allowed to run for mayor, by law) and did good things for the city, our capital.
In Brazil, seems like Ignacio Lula da Silva was such a politician, and he played a pivotal role into turning Brazil into the booming economy that it is today, making life better of millions of people there. That was made from a political party he founded himself.
So yeah, it is possible to be that politican and change the country for the better, I give you that one. Such a politician would meet with huge resistance within the system though, that I can assure.
In Brazil, seems like Ignacio Lula da Silva was such a politician, and he played a pivotal role into turning Brazil into the booming economy that it is today, making life better of millions of people there. That was made from a political party he founded himself.
So yeah, it is possible to be that politican and change the country for the better, I give you that one. Such a politician would meet with huge resistance within the system though, that I can assure.
I assume one of those you are referring to is Gaitán, but who is the other you are referring to?
Lula did do quite well, however once elected president, even he folded and gave in to threats and bribes. Very few of them are completely immune to threats and bribery and the ones who are end up like Torrijos.
One of them was indeed Gaitán. The other one was Luis Carlos Galán, murdered in 1989. Even though the assassination was executed by members of the drug cartel lead by Pablo Escobar, it was planned by a former minister of justice (oh the irony) who felt threatened because he feared Galán would uncover a lot of corrupt dealings he was involved with, besides blocking his path to the presidency.
And about Lula... well, I agree that he did do quite well. And I also fear that everyone, even the president, must give in to his environment, as long as he didn't profit from it I guess that was better than the alternative of one of such threats becoming real and putting him out of the picture =/
That aspect of politics is really disheartening
Btw, how would you know about Gaitán? I'm a bit impressed
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01 Jun 2012, 12:21 am
Shatbat wrote:
One of them was indeed Gaitán. The other one was Luis Carlos Galán, murdered in 1989. Even though the assassination was executed by members of the drug cartel lead by Pablo Escobar, it was planned by a former minister of justice (oh the irony) who felt threatened because he feared Galán would uncover a lot of corrupt dealings he was involved with, besides blocking his path to the presidency.
And about Lula... well, I agree that he did do quite well. And I also fear that everyone, even the president, must give in to his environment, as long as he didn't profit from it I guess that was better than the alternative of one of such threats becoming real and putting him out of the picture =/
That aspect of politics is really disheartening
Btw, how would you know about Gaitán? I'm a bit impressed
And about Lula... well, I agree that he did do quite well. And I also fear that everyone, even the president, must give in to his environment, as long as he didn't profit from it I guess that was better than the alternative of one of such threats becoming real and putting him out of the picture =/
That aspect of politics is really disheartening
Btw, how would you know about Gaitán? I'm a bit impressed
Would the mayor you were referring to earlier happen to be Sergio Fajardo? The only independent I know of otherwise would have been Petro? (just a guess, the only ones I can think of who had a profound impact in the last few years)
Oh politics is one of my interests. Gaitán was a front runner for his time even though he was in the wrong country to succeed. If it had of been a country of lesser importance, then I suspect the outcome would have been radically different. Unfortunately for you, Colombia is more or less the cornerstone (geo-politically speaking) to control of Latin America and due to that, will naturally be the last place such an effort would succeed.
Yes and no. Lula already did jail time during the dictatorship for his beliefs, so I find it sad that he would bough under pressure just because he was then the president.
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01 Jun 2012, 12:22 pm
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Well, if you knew anything about Northern Ireland at all - which you don't - you would know that the issue is communal and political, not religious.
I stated I was proestant never said it because of a religious issues the catholics and proestants no longer have to kill each other. Second I don't give a horses arse about Northern Ireland because me family that is in Ireland is in the Repbulic of Ireland.
Secondly, most people in Northern Ireland have political views but they keep them to themselves.
Just like here in America the political indepenents like me rarley talk about them openly in public.
As for people in the Republic, most couldn't give a toss almost as much as people in England. NI is irrelevant to them.
As it is to me.
If you want to listen to a lot of old stuff being discussed every day try the Nolan show on BBC Radio Ulster.
I don't veiw it as old stuff more like facts.
Also, I already mentioned the British National Party (BNP), clown. The BFP & BPP are nowhere. The BFP is the political wing of the EDL. The BPP are neo-Nazis, so you'd probably like 'em.
Not sure if I would because their english neo-nazis and their not German.
We have had a lovely day at a folk museum in British Northern Ireland. Off out tonight. Ta ra.
I stated I was proestant never said it because of a religious issues the catholics and proestants no longer have to kill each other. Second I don't give a horses arse about Northern Ireland because me family that is in Ireland is in the Repbulic of Ireland.
Secondly, most people in Northern Ireland have political views but they keep them to themselves.
Just like here in America the political indepenents like me rarley talk about them openly in public.
As for people in the Republic, most couldn't give a toss almost as much as people in England. NI is irrelevant to them.
As it is to me.
If you want to listen to a lot of old stuff being discussed every day try the Nolan show on BBC Radio Ulster.
I don't veiw it as old stuff more like facts.
Also, I already mentioned the British National Party (BNP), clown. The BFP & BPP are nowhere. The BFP is the political wing of the EDL. The BPP are neo-Nazis, so you'd probably like 'em.
Not sure if I would because their english neo-nazis and their not German.
We have had a lovely day at a folk museum in British Northern Ireland. Off out tonight. Ta ra.
Visit the Republic Of Ireland next T
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