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01 Nov 2012, 9:43 am

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You do know you have to be sorry for what you did when you go to confession.

You don't have to go into vulgar details.


I don't think that "feeling sorry" is a requirement for confessing.



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01 Nov 2012, 9:49 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
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You do know you have to be sorry for what you did when you go to confession.

You don't have to go into vulgar details.


I don't think that "feeling sorry" is a requirement for confessing.


Actually it is in order for the confession to be valid. The proof is in the Act of Contrition you pray. It's not a valid confession if you do a Homer Simpson and say "I masturbated 50 million times and I have no plans to stop masturbating."

Here is the Act of Contrition.

O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended You and I detest all my sins, because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell, but most of all because they offend You, my God, who are all good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of Your grace, to confess my sins, to do penance and to amend my life



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01 Nov 2012, 10:46 am

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PS: Pornography is not a sin. Is it? I don't think the bible writes "though shalt not watch porn".


My King James attributes this to Jesus:

King James Bible wrote:
Mat 5:28 (KJV) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a
woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in
his heart.


Adultery is a sin.
So in fact, the people that watch porn are going to be punished for the same sin as sleeping with someone else's espouse.

See you in hell.


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01 Nov 2012, 1:28 pm

thewhitrbbit wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
thewhitrbbit wrote:
You do know you have to be sorry for what you did when you go to confession.

You don't have to go into vulgar details.


I don't think that "feeling sorry" is a requirement for confessing.


Actually it is in order for the confession to be valid. The proof is in the Act of Contrition you pray. It's not a valid confession if you do a Homer Simpson and say "I masturbated 50 million times and I have no plans to stop masturbating."

Here is the Act of Contrition.

O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended You and I detest all my sins, because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell, but most of all because they offend You, my God, who are all good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of Your grace, to confess my sins, to do penance and to amend my life


How is Homer's confession not valid?

The point of confessing is to gain absolution of your sins. You might think that your sin isn't really harmful to anyone, but, according to your church, God just doesn't like people masturbating.

So, you go and confess. You don't really have to detest everything that your church tells you that God doesn't like. You just have to say that you detest masturbating (or whatever), and get on with it.

And, just to be safe, you had better confess all of the vulgar details, as completely as possible. The only sins that get absolved are those that you confess. You don't want to leave anything out, because unabsolved sins stay with you for eternity. You might forget, but the Holy Spirit saw what you were doing, and the Holy Spirit never forgets. In fact, it is better to exaggerate a bit, just to make sure that you are completely covered and didn't leave out anything.

For example, if you remember having masturbated on seven occasions in the past week, then confess to having masturbated seventy-times-seven times in the past week. That way, you'll be covered. Plus, keep a detailed diary of every pornographic video that you either watched or thought about during the week, and be ready to read the whole thing to the priest. If you leave anything out, then, in the long run, you'll end up being sorry. So, be sure to add some embellishment to your confession. You at least want the priest to regard your weekly confession as a special treat.



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01 Nov 2012, 2:44 pm

thewhitrbbit wrote:
Actually it is in order for the confession to be valid. The proof is in the Act of Contrition you pray. It's not a valid confession if you do a Homer Simpson and say "I masturbated 50 million times and I have no plans to stop masturbating."


Most Catholics use contraceptives. Of course, at every opportunity, they are obliged to confess their use of contraceptives. That doesn't mean that they will stop using contraceptives, It only means that their use of contraceptives has been absolved.

And, if a couple engages in any sexual activities that transcend a husband ejaculating directly into his wife's vagina, then this must also be confessed and forgiven. They might do it again after confessing, but they had better make damned sure not to die prior to confessing.



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01 Nov 2012, 3:38 pm

Technically their confessions are not valid for that sin. A confession done with no intent to repent is not a valid. If your not Catholic, I would suggest this reading about the Sacrament: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11618c.htm

If you are Catholic, your teacher didn't do a very good job of explaining the requirements of confession.

CCC 1451 requires the person seeking absolution to be sorry and detest their sin.

CCC 1451 reads:

"Among the penitent's acts contrition occupies first place. Contrition is "sorrow of the soul and detestation for the sin committed, together with the resolution not to sin again"


CCC= Catechism of the Catholic Church



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02 Nov 2012, 1:17 am

thewhitrbbit wrote:
You do know you have to be sorry for what you did when you go to confession.

You don't have to go into vulgar details.


But then I had a priest tell me that "you cannot confess in generalities" and had to go into detail of what I had done.

Actually, I just found confession so creepy and scary with the dark booth and the screen with the priest behind it that as soon as my parents did not force me to I never went again.



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02 Nov 2012, 1:19 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
thewhitrbbit wrote:
Actually it is in order for the confession to be valid. The proof is in the Act of Contrition you pray. It's not a valid confession if you do a Homer Simpson and say "I masturbated 50 million times and I have no plans to stop masturbating."


Most Catholics use contraceptives. Of course, at every opportunity, they are obliged to confess their use of contraceptives. That doesn't mean that they will stop using contraceptives, It only means that their use of contraceptives has been absolved.

And, if a couple engages in any sexual activities that transcend a husband ejaculating directly into his wife's vagina, then this must also be confessed and forgiven. They might do it again after confessing, but they had better make damned sure not to die prior to confessing.


Oh and thank goodness they do, or people would be having huge families that they cannot afford and the world would be more crowded than it already is.



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02 Nov 2012, 7:24 am

BobinPgh wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
thewhitrbbit wrote:
Actually it is in order for the confession to be valid. The proof is in the Act of Contrition you pray. It's not a valid confession if you do a Homer Simpson and say "I masturbated 50 million times and I have no plans to stop masturbating."


Most Catholics use contraceptives. Of course, at every opportunity, they are obliged to confess their use of contraceptives. That doesn't mean that they will stop using contraceptives, It only means that their use of contraceptives has been absolved.

And, if a couple engages in any sexual activities that transcend a husband ejaculating directly into his wife's vagina, then this must also be confessed and forgiven. They might do it again after confessing, but they had better make damned sure not to die prior to confessing.


Oh and thank goodness they do, or people would be having huge families that they cannot afford and the world would be more crowded than it already is.


It does seem odd, to be going to a church and paying a priest to tell them what not to do, and then going ahead and doing it anyway. At least confessing it makes it okay.



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02 Nov 2012, 7:29 am

thewhitrbbit wrote:
Technically their confessions are not valid for that sin. A confession done with no intent to repent is not a valid. If your not Catholic, I would suggest this reading about the Sacrament: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11618c.htm

If you are Catholic, your teacher didn't do a very good job of explaining the requirements of confession.

CCC 1451 requires the person seeking absolution to be sorry and detest their sin.

CCC 1451 reads:

"Among the penitent's acts contrition occupies first place. Contrition is "sorrow of the soul and detestation for the sin committed, together with the resolution not to sin again"


CCC= Catechism of the Catholic Church


Nope. You can get by with a simple attrition.

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"If any man assert that attrition . . . is not a true and a profitable sorrow; that it does not prepare the soul for grace, but that it makes a man a hypocrite, yea, even a greater sinner, let him be anathema".


You had better watch it: you're getting damned close to being anathema.



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02 Nov 2012, 10:12 pm

Actually, being sorry for doing it is required. It's called contrition. There is perfect contrition, which means being sorry for it because what you did displeased God, and imprefect contrition which is being sorry for it because you don't want it to send you to hell. Either is fine, but one is required.

The poster who said that not giving your husband a bj is the sin of disobedience is mistaken. Not obeying your husband is not a sin in the Catholic church. Also, it would only be a sin to give the bj if it resulted in ejaculation and then it would be sodomy. Sodomy is any act performed on another that causes orgasm that is not traditional penis in vagina sex. In other words, you can give your husband head so he can get it up. That's perfectly ok.

Also, priests really don't need the details unless you feel the need to go into them. If they are disturbing you more than they should, you can make an appointment to talk to him about the situation outside of confession. They still won't tell anyone.

For several years one of my best friends was a priest. He was the age to be my dad so we had a sort of friendship/father-daughter thing. Absolutely nothing even remotely sexual. He told me that priests are taught to sort of use a different mindset in confession. To think about how they can help the person not repeat the sin, as well as just hand out penance and absolution. I believe him. I've told him everything about me, and even though I would confess to him, I mainly told him the stuff just in conversation because we talked on the phone for about an hour a couple times a week.


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03 Nov 2012, 12:48 am

I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church considers porn (regardless of type) a mortal sin.

...but...I'm not Catholic...



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03 Nov 2012, 3:53 am

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For example, if you remember having masturbated on seven occasions in the past week, then confess to having masturbated seventy-times-seven times in the past week. That way, you'll be covered. Plus, keep a detailed diary of every pornographic video that you either watched or thought about during the week, and be ready to read the whole thing to the priest. If you leave anything out, then, in the long run, you'll end up being sorry. So, be sure to add some embellishment to your confession. You at least want the priest to regard your weekly confession as a special treat.


So just like I do now, only with a priest instead of the cashier at the supermarket.


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03 Nov 2012, 4:14 am

<This> is a good article explaining exactly how much detail is needed and how often to examine your consciouse.


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03 Nov 2012, 10:21 am

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Actually, being sorry for doing it is required. It's called contrition. There is perfect contrition, which means being sorry for it because what you did displeased God, and imprefect contrition which is being sorry for it because you don't want it to send you to hell. Either is fine, but one is required.


Perfect Contrition: a repentance for sins which is motivated by the love of God.

Imperfect Contrition (a.k.a. attrition): a repentance arising from a less pure motive, such as common decency, or fear of Hell.

Repentance: the activity of reviewing one's actions and feeling contrition or regret for past wrongs. It generally involves a commitment to personal change and resolving to live a more responsible and humane life. In religious contexts it usually refers to confession to God, ceasing sin against God in order to gain forgiveness or absolution. It typically includes an admission of guilt, a promise or resolve not to repeat the offense; an attempt to make restitution for the wrong, or in some way to reverse the harmful effects of the wrong where possible.

Regarding the large number of Catholics who use contraceptives: are they hypocrites who are damned to Hell? Of course they have to go and confess their use of contraceptives (the Holy Spirit saw them, and they cannot deny it). Contraceptive-users greatly fear Hell, but have no plans to repent. As long as they confess their use of contraceptives every week, are they covered? Or, are they doomed?

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The poster who said that not giving your husband a bj is the sin of disobedience is mistaken. Not obeying your husband is not a sin in the Catholic church.


Even Protestants follow

Ephesians 5 wrote:
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.


If a wife disobeys her husband, then she has to confess it, because the Holy Spirit saw it.

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Also, it would only be a sin to give the bj if it resulted in ejaculation and then it would be sodomy. Sodomy is any act performed on another that causes orgasm that is not traditional penis in vagina sex. In other words, you can give your husband head so he can get it up. That's perfectly ok.


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http://ronconte.wordpress.com/2011/01/0 ... turbation/

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Is masturbation justified within marriage, when one spouse masturbates the other spouse before, during, or after natural intercourse? No, it is not. The act of masturbation remains intrinsically evil due to the absence of the unitive and procreative meanings from the moral object of that act.


You may have some 'fessin' up to do. :wink:

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Also, priests really don't need the details unless you feel the need to go into them.


If you don't 'fess up completely, then a priest can't absolve you completely.

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If they are disturbing you more than they should,


Exactly how much should your sins be disturbing you?

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you can make an appointment to talk to him about the situation outside of confession. They still won't tell anyone.

Actually, if you're abusing children, then I think that a priest is legally obliged to report you.

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For several years one of my best friends was a priest. He was the age to be my dad so we had a sort of friendship/father-daughter thing. Absolutely nothing even remotely sexual.

He was probably gay.

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He told me that priests are taught to sort of use a different mindset in confession. To think about how they can help the person not repeat the sin, as well as just hand out penance and absolution. I believe him. I've told him everything about me, and even though I would confess to him, I mainly told him the stuff just in conversation because we talked on the phone for about an hour a couple times a week.

Sometimes gay men and heterosexual women can become very close friends.