Well screw the middle class.

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Or even the one.

And eventually through all of the monopolization in the economy it really could become that we're serving the interests of the one.

And "the one" is?

I don't think there's any country in the world where a skilled worker or a college graduate makes more money (adjusted for purchasing power and taxes) than the US.

I was sharing some Star Trek love by referencing the death of Spock.

And the one who is ultimately holding the hegemony in a hyper-monopolized world? He'll be called a different name but he will essentially be the return of of the King. We call them plutocrats now.


You're only counting purchasing power and taxes? What about debt?

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Not only by purchase. Most of the technical expertise (in every area of operation) comes from people who identify themselves as middle-class. In particular the engineers, soft-ware type, medical-lab technicians, nurses and even many doctors.

These people are distinguished in that they have established their value and expertise by effort (hard work, long intervals of education and advancement by demonstrable merit) as oppose to inheriting their positions and wealth.

ruveyn

Americans have little of that compared to Europeans.

Private debt. That debt on your mortgage and credit cards.

What communists? If China was actually a communist nation it wouldn't allow for its people to work for U.S corporations for sh*t wages since that would be supporting corrupt capitalist systems. Totalitarianism style systems and communism are not the same thing most of these terrible 'communist' nations just have governments who used the idea of communism to trick people into buying into their crap and supporting them.

And considering the middle class is getting smaller, and the low class is growing this still applies right? or is it only when there is the common belief most people are well off enough that this phrase applies.

The day most people belong to the lower class (most people with a high school diploma do not), the needs of the lower class outweighs the needs of the other classes.

I look at it like this:

They want to keep the money in the country, so they bend over for the rich, they keep the middle classes reasonably happy and they screw the poor. They can get away with this because the poor don't have enough money to escape and emigrate somewhere else.. they also are more likely to become fat, unhealthy and apathetic, and be resigned to their fate. The (real) middle classes are the most likely to bugger off somewhere else - as business owners and with capital they can achieve this easily - they're also more likely to have the drive, energy and health to make such a move. For the rich, the world is their playground and they can go where ever they like, so they're not taxed and are favoured by the system.. but this also keeps their money in the system. The middle classes are being intentionally reduced until we're left with either rich or poor (although there will always be a small middle class), and the poor will be powerless to do anything about it - but as Bill Hicks said, give them enough stupid TV to watch and cheap junk food to eat and they'll be too apathetic to be bothered. The dream that everyone, if they worked hard, could have their own home, car(s) and good standard of living is fading fast. This is mainly from a UK perspective, but I imagine things aren't too different in the states.

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The super wealthy are completely disconnected from the rest of us. They don't share our notions of nationalism and patriotism - mom, apple pie, and Chevrolet. The fact is, a member of the American 1% has more in common with the wealthy elite in someplace like Saudi Arabia or China than they do with their own fellow Americans. They figure, why should they care about the rest of us, other than to buy politicians, and form "grass root" organizations that spout increasingly empty words like liberty and freedom while attacking those without, all the while all of us become more and more disenfranchised.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I agree. For the sake of brevity, I used the name that the government and party uses to identify theirselves.

You're moving the goal posts all the way down to the lumpenproletariat? Just by virtue of the fact that most people are not very good criminals or are not suffering drug addiction or a major mental illness of some kind means that that the majority will never be that low.

See that is a stupid approach because it fails to address the needs of all the citizens which means it leaves more room for people to fall through the cracks and end up getting nowhere with life. As one can see if they observe what goes on currently with the middle class getting smaller and low class getting bigger.

Also I'd say a country is only as strong as its weakest link, but I guess politics is more of a popularity contest than anything else anymore.

This is true, not to mention we can't exactly just leave segments of population to stagnate and die because they aren't 'the majority' I mean that's the kind of thinking that leads to 'this group is the problem' and then you get things like The Holocaust which I imagine everyone here is familiar with or at least I'd hope.

I think it would be more the typical middle class that first bit describes, most of the poor I know aren't fat, apathetic or resigned to their fate. Actually people are getting sick of the BS especially those on the bottom of the financial totem pole, and people are getting angry I think when some middle class people fall into that they will be especially angry since they aren't so used to getting by on very little or nothing. Also most of the poor have mental and or physical disorders/disabilities that prevent them from functioning well enough to climb up that totem pole and its not like there is a whole lot one can do to change the system especially if they don't have wealth and power to do so. Oh and by poor I mean like homeless, near homeless or getting by on very little.....not people who can afford a house, a car, a t.v let alone cable and all this junk food you speak of those would be the lower middle class to general middle class. Once you start getting into upper middle class and above then you have the people who want to join the game and get their chance at wealth and power and can use the 'middle class' as pawns.

There is one thing to do, wait and see how this plays out and then take action when there is action to be taken...Besides I and others can feel that something is coming, like that calm before the storm but to some people that sort of talk is insanity.