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16 Nov 2012, 8:52 pm

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Clean up the mess that is the American healthcare budget, then free healthcare could be implemented. If necessary, taxes on people without degrees could be increased a little as well (let's be frank here: a 15% income tax is very low).

this is what repubs mean by "broadening the base" - raising poor people's taxes while lowering rich people's taxes. why pick on people at the bottom who can least afford it? that is robin hood in reverse. romney paid 13% of HIS income in taxes, now THAT was too damned low! :x



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16 Nov 2012, 9:56 pm

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that kind of rationing is still more humane than the kind we have now where if one is working class [as opposed to indigent] one just has to tolerate being sick sans medical treatment. the homeless get much more health care than the working class. where is the fairness in that?


That's true. Because I have no income at all I was able to get Medicaid. If I had a low paying job that didn't give me insurance I probably wouldn't have even qualified and would have had to die from lack of medical care.



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17 Nov 2012, 3:23 am

When a friend of mine was diagnosed with ovarian cancer, she and her husband both had to quit their jobs in order to qualify for MediCal. They wouldn't have gotten health care otherwise. She survived for about four years after her diagnosis, four years which he wouldn't have been able to share with her otherwise.



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17 Nov 2012, 11:59 am

auntblabby wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Clean up the mess that is the American healthcare budget, then free healthcare could be implemented. If necessary, taxes on people without degrees could be increased a little as well (let's be frank here: a 15% income tax is very low).

this is what repubs mean by "broadening the base" - raising poor people's taxes while lowering rich people's taxes. why pick on people at the bottom who can least afford it? that is robin hood in reverse. romney paid 13% of HIS income in taxes, now THAT was too damned low! :x


I'm not talking about people in minimum wage jobs, but someone who works as an engineer, works harder than someone who works at the grocery store—and he has also worked a lot harder to get where he is. Furthermore, the groery store clerk made money when the engineer had to read, take exams, go to college and get a student loan. Should the engineer be punished for this?

Raise the taxes for wealthy entrepeneurs and people with menial jobs. Owning a flat screen television, a Camaro and an iPhone is not a given right, but a benefit you should earn. The taxes for anyone who makes between 30,000 dollars and 500,000 dollars a year should be flattened.

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17 Nov 2012, 12:03 pm

O.K. folks. If you want to made medical care an "entitlement" then you had better make damned sure that anyone capable of doing useful work gets up off his butt and earns his keep. For the disabled, that is a different story. Any of us could have been born crippled or addled. It is a risk of existence, so we should collectively insure that casualty. It is the decent and humane thing to do.

No free riders, thank you. No shiftless bums. If anyone who can work chooses not to he should not get a single crumb from his fellow humans. Those who do not work (but are able to) neither shall they eat.

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17 Nov 2012, 12:12 pm

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O.K. folks. If you want to made medical care an "entitlement" then you had better make damned sure that anyone capable of doing useful work gets up off his butt and earns his keep. For the disabled, that is a different story. Any of us could have been born crippled or addled. It is a risk of existence, so we should collectively insure that casualty. It is the decent and humane thing to do.

No free riders, thank you. No shiftless bums. If anyone who can work chooses not to he should not get a single crumb from his fellow humans. Those who do not work (but are able to) neither shall they eat.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... iture_(PPP)_per_capita

In theory, there's enough money to implement it, but i's probably a complicated issue. The US is a land of great individualism, though. College degrees are available to most people and less than one percent of the population older than 25 are employed in minimum wage jobs.



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17 Nov 2012, 12:15 pm

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ruveyn wrote:
O.K. folks. If you want to made medical care an "entitlement" then you had better make damned sure that anyone capable of doing useful work gets up off his butt and earns his keep. For the disabled, that is a different story. Any of us could have been born crippled or addled. It is a risk of existence, so we should collectively insure that casualty. It is the decent and humane thing to do.

No free riders, thank you. No shiftless bums. If anyone who can work chooses not to he should not get a single crumb from his fellow humans. Those who do not work (but are able to) neither shall they eat.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... iture_(PPP)_per_capita

In theory, there's enough money to implement it, but i's probably a complicated issue. The US is a land of great individualism, though. College degrees are available to most people and less than one percent of the population older than 25 are employed in minimum wage jobs.


There is something more fundamental at stake. Somehow we have got to figure out a balance between what is coming to each of us as individuals and what we should do collectively because life is not always kind and fair. All of us are potential casualties to ill fortune.

R. Hillel said it best.

If I am not for myself, then who is for me?
If I am only for myself, then what am I?
And if not now, then when?

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18 Nov 2012, 2:21 pm

Ruveyn, either you have softened or I have hardened; I find myself agreeing with you, at least in part, fairly often lately.



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18 Nov 2012, 2:34 pm

But, should we allow someone who has donated a kidney to be screwed over?



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18 Nov 2012, 2:46 pm

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18 Nov 2012, 4:02 pm

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Ruveyn, either you have softened or I have hardened; I find myself agreeing with you, at least in part, fairly often lately.


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18 Nov 2012, 4:57 pm

ruveyn wrote:
O.K. folks. If you want to made medical care an "entitlement" then you had better make damned sure that anyone capable of doing useful work gets up off his butt and earns his keep. For the disabled, that is a different story. Any of us could have been born crippled or addled. It is a risk of existence, so we should collectively insure that casualty. It is the decent and humane thing to do.

No free riders, thank you. No shiftless bums. If anyone who can work chooses not to he should not get a single crumb from his fellow humans. Those who do not work (but are able to) neither shall they eat.

ruveyn


I have absolutely no problem with this. If one can't find work, there are always things that need doing like picking up roadside litter and such.


One problem I think you'll find, however, is that many people will think such a job "beneath" them.


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18 Nov 2012, 6:57 pm

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One problem I think you'll find, however, is that many people will think such a job "beneath" them.


If the alternative is starving to death you would be surprised how quickly they would rethink the matter.

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18 Nov 2012, 6:59 pm

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One problem I think you'll find, however, is that many people will think such a job "beneath" them.


If the alternative is starving to death you would be surprised how quickly they would rethink the matter.

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Which leads to a lot of very angry citizens who think their existence entitles them to everything.


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18 Nov 2012, 10:14 pm

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I can't loose what I don't have.

the exsanguinating capitalists will get their liquid meal "fix" from you at their convenience, and find a way to make money off of you even after you've met your maker.



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18 Nov 2012, 10:18 pm

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I'm not talking about people in minimum wage jobs, but someone who works as an engineer, works harder than someone who works at the grocery store—and he has also worked a lot harder to get where he is. Furthermore, the groery store clerk made money when the engineer had to read, take exams, go to college and get a student loan. Should the engineer be punished for this?

you are in favor of punishing the less successful in life through no inherent fault of their own. we all can't be engineer brainiacs- even if you are an engineer [or any other kind of high-functioner] brainiac you cannot expect me to be able to emulate your inborn talent, thus it is an injustice that you would punish me [via punitively regressive taxation] for this, something that i can't help.