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17 Nov 2012, 6:36 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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That was done with thirty seconds of google research and two online plug and play calculators. If there's a number wrong in there, please tell me where so I can fix it.

I just mean take a look around the PPR forum and see what kinds of topics get broached here. No one's really revved up or worried about this, at least I'm not, but if I were to put my finger in the air and lick it I think the wind may be blowing toward states rights dialog - that's really all I'm saying with this.

In a forum where the majority of topics are already somewhere between trite and kitsch I don't see why this particular topic is so far out or egregious that someone reminding us that its less than 1/6 of a percent petitioning means that the thread needs to end.
I didn't think they were suggesting the thread should end, just reminding us that it's not all conservatives who want this. It's a small percentage. But I don't discount that, as only a small percentage of Americans wanted Bush impeached. I don't discount that either, since I was one of them. Still am.



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17 Nov 2012, 6:52 pm

I know why any of these people are trying to force other people to go along with them.

The U.S. allows any American to renounce their citizenship and become stateless even if they don't have citizenship in another country.

They should stop signing petitions and whining and put their money where their mouths are: secede as individuals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renunciati ... ted_States



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17 Nov 2012, 6:55 pm

^ There's the answer! "Love it or leave it", even if you physically remain.

Too bad about losing those "Inalienable Rights" though ...

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17 Nov 2012, 7:03 pm

Fnord wrote:
^ There's the answer! "Love it or leave it", even if you physically remain.

Too bad about losing those "Inalienable Rights" though ...

:lol:


Seceded states don't get to vote for president anyway.

Non-citizens still have some rights, they just shouldn't go to Arizona in case this issue leads promoting secession or bad-mouthing Obama to be classified as "reasonable suspicion" for police to demand proof of citizenship under SB-1070. :P
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18 Nov 2012, 4:07 am

That's the problem with making anything a states rights issue, the editorials will just compare it to the Jim Crow South on whatever issue it is that they don't agree with. I'm for states rights, but you can't with with certain people.


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18 Nov 2012, 2:41 pm

The issue is that it won't happen. I mean, we have a few crazy conservatives who are being ridiculous, but the core of the nation is willing to accept this as the way the system works. If any of these states started to secede, the internal opposition would be too large, without even getting into the fact that the US doesn't allow secession. This is even the case in Texas, which has large cities that often will lean Democratic party(especially Austin), and where most people identify as Americans even if they do identify as Republicans.

I think Vexcaliber hit on the actual problem, and that the current right wing is crazy. This isn't even something that is a strongly ideologically biased point at this point, but rather it can be recognized by looking at the intellectual decline of the right: http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics ... ive?live=1 It can be recognized by just seeing the Republican party line-up for their primaries. (Newt and Romney were the only semi-sane candidates to look at. Ron Paul has some value, but he's fringe and radical.) It can be recognized by looking at how Republicans are not able to tie themselves to any legitimate ideas, but instead are becoming a part of opposition to science, fringe economic ideas, and bad foreign policy. I mean, you can't look at the modern GOP's foreign policy and tie it in any meaningful sense to any form of hawkish pragmatism, it's simply jingoistic hawkishness at this point.