Yet another shooting.

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True, we avoid bad areas but violent crimes do occur in nice areas too. Any type of violent crime is more likely to happen between people who know each other, however.

A lot of the violence in bad neighborhoods occurs between people who aren't even in gangs because they grow up in an environment where it seems normal to fight someone for making an offhand slightly offensive comment to you. Take Chicago for instance, where there are blocks in which someone is killed every day.

But the problem with figuring out who's problem it is is that there is no way of telling when it will happen, where it will happen, or even why it will happen; last time I checked none of the shooter who did this this year revealed their motive.

Question: why do we need "assault weapons"? What place does assaulting have in civilized society? Why can't we just have weak handguns?

The term "Assault Weapon" is used as a scare tactic to refer to any weapon that is a threat to the power of the politicians. In other words, anything that discharges an explosive projectile. "Assault" when referring to a weapon is simply military terminology. "Need" matters not, it's more or less an issue of personal liberty. The argument of the pro-gun lobby is if you want a certain type of weapon, you should be able to have it.

They aren't on the rise. The numbers have been more or less stable since the early '70s. The type of weaponry on the civilian market has been pretty much the same kind of designs since then. The only major change is from workplace shootings to younger males shooting random people...and the media bringing more of them to our attention over and over again for the next month or so after the incident. The highest casualty incidents tend to have another common feature--that I will not publicly mention--that is not related to weaponry.

Gun control is not the answer- the problem is between the shooters ears. First there is mental health education and stigma that needs to be addressed. People need to have some ability to recognize that something is going wrong with them and they need help while they still can make a rational decision about getting help and not be too embarrassed to do so. Next is making voluntary and useful help available in a timely manner. They cannot be given the scarlet letter treatment for coming forward. That means that it cannot go on record that would effect employment, including any temporary firearm prohibitions would have to be erased without a trace when they expire. If they can get help early enough, the severity of their condition might not even get that far. All of this will be on hold until politicians can agree how to pay for something like this, and without the gun control politicians feeding it a poison pill.

As for my personal feelings relating to others' situations, working out how to process that is going very slowly with my therapist. I don't approve of active shooters and I wish I could be better prepared to defend myself when in public (mostly prohibited in Cal.) against active shooters or the vastly far more common street thug, and I wish others could be too.

I don't own any "assault weapons", but I have a handful of modern sporting rifles...

"Assault weapon" is a political term, and the notion that you assault people with it is propaganda aimed at very simple minds that was repeated until many no longer questioned it. There is no special feature that can define them, and there isn't a single design that can't be used for hunting, recreation, or personal defense. Instead, it is assumed that if you have enough [largely] cosmetic features from a list on a gun, that somehow that makes it bad. For example: in California, the legislature banned (but did not confiscate) the AR-15 a long time ago. But after a court battle that created a loophole, there are now dozens of parts and different configurations that can make the AR-15 legal to buy, build, and own here again and the legislature is having trouble figuring out how to ban this since these ARs do the same thing as the rifles that were never banned. The bullets are the same too-all bullets "assault weapons" shoot are useable in any type of rifle and the bullet designs available for them are found in almost all other rifle calibers. The bullets most designs shoot are significantly less powerful than the most common deer hunting calibers (but still can be used either for deer or smaller game), and in many cases will even break up in home walls easier than most handgun bullets.

Oh, and some of those "weak" handguns are more powerful than "assault" rifles.

what hand gun is more powerfull than a AR15 in 5.6 Nato.

Just about any revolver chambered in a magnum cartridge.

inside 50 yards maybe but not at longer ranges.the .223 or 5.6 nato can shoot to 600 meters.also rifles like those get 2.800fps which would expand rapidly and make huge entrance wound with a lot a lead shrapnel in the wound channel.far worse than what a .44magnum could do even at close range.
im not for goverment mandated gun control but i would like to see americas AR fetish end voluntarily

Last edited by vermontsavant on 14 Dec 2012, 8:50 am, edited 2 times in total.

The 5.56 is not really a god round, it is relatively weak compared to common hunting cartridges such as the .308 and .30-06.

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And why exactly would you want the AR "fetish" to end?

I know,I shot a deer 5 weeks ago with a 6.5-55 swedish mauser.120gr bullett

i was comparing to hand guns.even a 30-06 is weak compared to many guns out there

I would like to see a news report every time someone saved their own life or property with a legally obtained gun. That would probably put the whole thing in perspective.

There isn't any crime like that in my town, and it's honestly because everybody here has guns and everybody else knows it.

im not sure what there use is and the more lawfull owners of those guns, the more oportunities to steal guns criminals have.
its certainly true that if guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns,but the more guns there are in the market the more opportunities criminals have to steal these guns.
a street gun dealer might break into a gun store in tennessee and steal 100 guns and then sell them in new york or something.

BREAKING NEWS.
SCHOOL SCHOOTING IN WESTERN CONNECTICUT.child seriously injured

however this disproves gun control because connecticut has some of the toughest gun control in the nation.