A reason for vegetarianism: animal death.

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24 Jan 2013, 1:48 pm

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Look up what goes on in a slaughterhouse and then tell me you still feel hungry afterwards. Watch what's actually done to them. Words can do it no justice, and are just so easily dismissed by the likes of those who would ignore a cement truck heading into a nitroglycerin plant.

I have. There was a BBC show called Kill It, Cook It, Eat It, where they put a kitchen within a slaughterhouse separated by glass, so a studio audience could see the whole process. I have to say it was fascinating, and I don't have a problem with it if it's done correctly. Yes, most factory farms are not good examples of the right way to do it, but there are other outlets, especially now with the internet.

Would you want to be a subject on their show, to be killed humanely in front of a studio audience, prepared, and served? (And no, to clarify since I know we all have a communication disorder, this is NOT by any means a threat whatsoever).

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24 Jan 2013, 1:50 pm

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Tell that to some tribes in South America like the Minnowins they eat meat and hunt their food because the soil is too acidic to grow crops.

Tell them to move to where the soil is better, or teach them chemistry and agriculture and fix the soil.

Perhaps I would but then I would get a spear to the head plus it could cause territorial turmoil between tribes these people have lived like it for thousands of years.Also what about eskimos where in the frigid cold rely on meat to survive that inclides whale and seal meat as well as blubber perhaps you should tell them to move too?

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24 Jan 2013, 1:54 pm

Early humans were scavengers, this is the earliest evidence.

We would have been predators, too, but it was dangerous to be out in the plains during the day with big predictors like lions, We ate the part they couldn't like bone marrow. In fact that is how we know, evidence of using tools to break and extract bone marrow.

In fact it would not have been possible to be a vegetarian in the Savannah at the time, simply we did not have the constitution/physiology to eat the vegetation of the savanna, nor the means to process the food.There was simply not enough we could have digested, that would have been nutritional enough, in order to survive.

In fact this protein rich diet was not only crucial for our survival it was crucial in the development of our brains. it is why we are who we are, and are able to make these modern decisions.

Later on we certainly hunted large animals, we also followed coastal regions, and our diet included fish and edible plants like berries.

Plant food production is just as problematic as animal food production. It is very wasteful, and has it own emissions. Just look at the emissions figures for rice production.

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24 Jan 2013, 1:55 pm

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Tell that to some tribes in South America like the Minnowins they eat meat and hunt their food because the soil is too acidic to grow crops.

Tell them to move to where the soil is better, or teach them chemistry and agriculture and fix the soil.

Move or develop the technology of greenhouses, electricity, and artificial lighting. What is this supposed to be, argument by tradition? It's right or okay because loads of generations have done the same thing for too darn long?

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24 Jan 2013, 1:56 pm

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Yes, we are naturally herbivores

I think you misunderstand the term ‘omnivore’. It means adaptive feeder, which means they can survive on a variety of diets. It is an important reason why humans could spread out over the whole planet. If there are only plants to eat in an environment, then omnivores can survive on plants. If there aren’t any plants, such as on latitudes close to or in the pole circle or during an ice age, then they can survive on mostly meat alone. (Exampe: Inuit, Neanderthal). Biologically speaking we are indeed omnivores. It doesn’t mean that we must eat meat, but that we can eat meat.

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24 Jan 2013, 1:57 pm

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"Can you really ask what reason Pythagoras had for abstinence from flesh? For my part I rather wonder both by what accident and in what state of mind the first man touched his mouth to gore and brought his lips to the flesh of a dead creature, set forth tables of dead, stale bodies, and ventured to call food and nourishment the parts that has a little before bellowed and cried, moved and lived. How could eyes endure the slaughter when throats were slit and hides flayed and limbs torn from limb"
How could his nose endure the stench? How was it that the pollution did not turn away his taste, which made contact with sores of others and sucked juices and serums from mortal wounds? It is certainly not lions or wolves that we eat out of self-defense; on the contrary, we ignore these and slaughter harmless, tame creatures without stings or teeth to harm us. For the sake of a little flesh we deprive them of sun, of light, of the duration of life to which they are entitled by birth and being."
He then delivered this challenge to flesh-eaters: "If you declare that you are naturally designed for such a diet, then first kill for yourself what you want to eat. Do it, however, only through your own resources, unaided by cleaver or cudgel or any kind of ax."

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24 Jan 2013, 1:57 pm

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i'm going to roll with the omnivores....you can be a herbivore. i don't care what you eat so stop preaching to me about the evil, vile slaughterhouses cause your only making me hungry. i enjoy plants, i enjoy eating plants, i eat them on the side of my portion of meat.

i have twice and still go get a burger afterwards.

I EAT WHAT I WANT TO EAT. Don't like vegetarians who preach about the supposed benefits of eating only plants. I have family members who are vegetarians they don't preach about it they continue to eat what they eat regardless of my preferences. They Live their lives the way they want, i live mine as I'd like to live mine. If I WANTED to go vegetarian I could ask them for advice. Otherwise i'm going to stick to the method my ancestors and I agree on. Eating a moderated amount of meat, with a moderated amount of plants, with a portion of water to wash it down with.

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24 Jan 2013, 1:59 pm

Vegetarianism is socialism.

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24 Jan 2013, 2:02 pm

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Vegetarianism is socialism.

no.

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24 Jan 2013, 2:04 pm

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Yes, we are naturally herbivores

In terms of the literal meaning of the word "can", there is much that is able to be done. Many slightly toxic substances can be consumed over a long period of time, at each iteration having no immediate effect but instead a cumulative effect. That nutrition can be processed out of what is the various tissues of fellow sentient creatures may indeed be useful, but still it is unhealthy in the long term compared to a plant based diet, which indicates that a plant based diet is normative regardless of whether an omnivorous diet is possible or not.

Consider this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNuJa_QrYk[/youtube]

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24 Jan 2013, 2:05 pm

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You're talking, I'm talking.

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24 Jan 2013, 2:05 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

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Tell that to some tribes in South America like the Minnowins they eat meat and hunt their food because the soil is too acidic to grow crops.

Tell them to move to where the soil is better, or teach them chemistry and agriculture and fix the soil.

Its part of their culture also during the winter its dark for long periods of time furthermore they do not have the money to do so and if you hadn't noticed to survive in sub zero temperatures you have to eat a lot of calories which meat provides otherwise you will die.

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24 Jan 2013, 2:07 pm

thomas81 wrote:

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Vegetarianism is socialism.

no.

It's easy to agree with most serious members here when arguing against andROBOT2084.

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24 Jan 2013, 2:08 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:

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Tell that to some tribes in South America like the Minnowins they eat meat and hunt their food because the soil is too acidic to grow crops.

Tell them to move to where the soil is better, or teach them chemistry and agriculture and fix the soil.

Right now I'm living in subzero temperatures on a minimum wage job, with no welfare, and eating only vegetables. I'm still alive. It's almost been a year since I've switched to vegetarianism and I feel better than I had before as an omnivore, even in spite of working third shift.

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24 Jan 2013, 2:13 pm

^^^Do you live in the arctic? I think not you will deal with not only subzero temps up to negative 80 but no sunlight for months at a time!

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24 Jan 2013, 2:15 pm

Can you ask a wild animal to not eat meat? They kill animals for food and in some fairly gruesome ways. How are humans any different?

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