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Indeed. The Israeli government has several considerable stains like that on its record. No democracy is perfect (with the possible exception of Switzerland) and Israel certainly is no exception.

I (never mind Israel) call Hamas beats because, as their Charter and their speeches state as clear as day, it's not about Israel for them. It's about Jews. It's about a religious war of extermination.

Do the Israelis massacre people for singing at weddings like Hamas does?

Israel's honour is positively covered in 'blots'.

Yehida massacre: 13 December 1947
Khisas massacre: 18 December 1947
Qazaza massacre: 19 December 1947
Al-Sheikh Village: 1 January 1948
Naser Al-Din massacre: 13-14 April 1948
Abu Shusha massacre: 14 May 1948
Beit Daras massacre: 21 May 1948
Tantura massacre: May 22-23, 1948
Dahmash Mosque massacre: 11 July 1948
http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Har...arbinger18.htm
Dawayma massacre: 29 October 1948
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Hebr ... ry670.html
Sharafat massacre: 7 Febraury 1951
Kibya massacre: 14 October 1953: 9:30 pm
Kafr Qasm massacre :29 October 1956
AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE :13 November 1966
THE SABRA AND SHATILA MASSACRE :15-18 September 1982
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1779713.stm
OYON QARA MASSACRE RISHON LEZION: 20 May 1990)
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE :25 February 1994
THE JABALIA MASSACRE: 28 March 1994
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE : 17 July 1994
Jenin massacre: Thursday, 18 April, 2002
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1937048.stm
Gaza beach blast: June 9, 2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_beach_blast

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 151336.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 186905.stm

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ ... 15/2009/en

A massacre of terrorists. Move along, nothing to see here.

I only know about this one, but the BBC massively exaggerated this one and lost all sense of proportion. At the time, they claimed that more than 300 people were killed, that the Israelis completely destroyed the area and butchered the innocent inhabitants. In fact, they went into Jenin to kill terrorists who were attacking Israel and the people the IDF killed were almost (88.6% - 48 out of 53) all terrorists.

does hamas target children with military naval vessels the way Israel does?

Link please, so I can debunk the propaganda.

You can't debunk the Hamas stuff, nor the way they use children as human shields, and use children as propaganda (even if the children died as a result of their rockets falling short of their targets, or ithe children photographed being Israeli and not Gazan, or even when the children were killed in a completely different country or even - in one case I saw - a photo in which a child died in a savage playground accident and Hamas claimed the Joos did it). Or do you want to defend Hamas now?

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...and you know the BBC exaggerated because you were there? Or because you read whatever right wing rag you could find at the time that put the most positive spin on it in Israels favour and took it to be undeniable truth?

i already did, im referring to the gaza beach blast of 2006. It was all over the western mainstream media so its hardly palestinian propaganda.

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Er... no. It is the truth. Most of the claims made at the time were later shown to be either gross exaggerations or absolute lies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jenin

The BBC swallowed the propaganda from the Palestinians hook, line and sinker. They later said that "Palestinian authorities made unsubstantiated claims of a wide-scale massacre,"

well there is just the matter of the twenty other atrocities i have posted, so people can research them on their own if they want to know Israels true colours. Blue, white and blood.


http://www.allaboutpalestine.com/pages/ ... tml#yehida

You know that from the Gaza beach blast that the shrapnel removed from the children was not IDF shrapnel? And that there wasn't a large crater as you'd expect from such a huge bomb blast? And that the Israelis stopped shelling ten minutes before the Palestinian kids were killed?

You might want to take a look at this. Things don't add up.

tequila, do you get paid by the israeli embassy to stick up for them on internet debates or something?

as soon as someone here mentions something negative about them you're here within minutes. Its as if the sun shines out of their arse.

my understanding was that it was an unexploded shell launched from the IDF boat. Hamas dont traditionally use explosives that would account for what happened.

also that website you linked to is blatantly a zionist squawkpiece so i take what it says with a extra large portion of salt.

Oh, yeah - they have a "Stop the Wall" campaign going on. You know, that wall that Palestinian terrorists freely admit has massively disrupted their operations and has kept Israelis a lot safer from Islamist terrorists.

Palestine as a society doesn't exist. It's a ploy that's used to attack Israel.

The Jordanians invaded and occupied East Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria from 1948-1967 and the poor Palestinians didn't raise even the mildest complaint, even though they had less rights than under Israel. Odd, consider that Palestine is occupied - but ah, it's only 'occupied' when non-Muslims have the land.

I can quote Zuheir Mohsen from 1977:



The rest of the website you claim is full of paranoid Islamic persecution complex bollocks.

Oh, and I noticed that most of your listed 'blots' took place during the War of Independence.

The first thing that comes up about the "Eretz Checkpoint Massacre" is an extremely anti-Semitic Islamic fundamentalist hate site. I can't find anything else on a lot of these 'massacres' apart from on Palestinian, Islamic fundamentalist or far-left sites.

As for the massacre of the Cave of the Patriarchs (not the "Ibrahimi Mosque" - see, Muslims claiming multi-faith sites as solely their own - again). That was a savage and brutal attack by a complete fecking headcase. It was very, very widely condemned at the time in Israel, and was committed by one psychotic terrorist from the U.S. In terms of those sorts of attacks, Jewish terrorist attacks like that post-WoI were and are extremely rare. In fact, when I think of Jewish terrorist attacks committed in the Middle East, that's the main one I can think of usually.

Again, on the "Jabalia Massacre", I mainly find Palestinian/Islamist websites and very few unbiased sources. In fact, that's true for a lot of these. I gather that some people were shot, but it also suggests that people had been stone-throwing too.

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if theres a lack of unbiased websites its down to a lack of interest by sources in the west allied to Israel so of course its not in their interest to cover it. Especially during the early days because it would have been an embarressment to the succeeded british administration. Considering the rise of media impartiality, the internet, independent journalism and the regularity of attacks by Israel it doesnt take a stretch of the imagination to believe this could have happened. No smoke without fire.

stone throwing does not demand a bullet being shot in reply. Similar sort of justification used by the British in ireland. Amazing how thugs think alike.

Are you not very interested in why there are no bomb shelters in Gaza, by the way? Don't ordinary Gazan men, women and children deserve protection from the evil Zionist bombs, or its that just for the Hamas bigwigs?