Is there anything to "Men's Rights" groups?

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They didn't seem to mind, but anyway...


At least women that don't mind the pressure so much. Guys: it is well worth the plane fare.


I've never seen feminists disagree with each other.


Why don't I ever meet such feminists.


Glad to give you something about which to fantasize tonight.


Actually, I haven't cum across much difference between feminists. There are strident feminists, and there are ardent feminists. And, the arch feminists. Not to mention the feminist extremists.

You.... need to research your topic. That's all I got to say now.

Sexism is bad, whether it's in the form of misogyny or misandry*. However, my experience with MRAs has been largely negative. I don't know if they are a vocal minority similar to radfems, but they definitely exist.

*Wow, spellchecker doesn't recognize misandry as a word. Sexist, much?

Cant say generally about them, because there are so many different kind of these menright groups.

There are the ones, that really are interested in having equal rights for everyone, pointing and criticizing unequal points of law, specially when its about childrights, when it comes to divorce of the parents. So I fully agree with that, as example until some years, unmarried fathers of a child had to be confirmed as fathers before the law in my country, so they become official the father before the law, while noone ever would have the idea that an unmarried woman had to declare herself official as mother, to become the official mother including all rights as parents. Or until some years ago, when the parents divorced the children got very often to live with the mother, if there were no real critical reasons against it like the mother is drug addicted or such things. So I fully agree with this, sure there are socially still more men interested in work instead of their children, but there are also fathers that are more interested in their children, so why should they be automatically be ignored, when it comes to the desicion of finding the best place for the kids to live?

Then there are other groups that are, in the worst cases, only about idiots crying around, that unless earlier times, woman are no longer forced to marry every idiot. "I am an screaming idiot, that had no interest in school and education of my own. Instead I drink beer and sit before my television, while my flat looks like a pigroom and even rats would flee my bodysmell. In earlier times, woman had it that bad, that even marrying someone like me would have brought them some advantages. But because of that feminism s**t, woman think its better for them to be working on their own and cleaning only their own mess, instead of appreciating the small amount of money I bring home when I work some days until drinking, and cleaning all day my mess behind me as if I was a 3 year old kid. Woman able to choose freely to have a relationship with a man is s**t, because there are not so many braindead woman that would have an interest in me. So sure, I could work on myself, stop drinking and screaming, stop trying to get my will by physical aggression, tidy up my room and garden and so on and take a shower... so that other human beings could become interested in knowing me on their own. - But that would mean, I had to stop drink and scream all day! Huhu....feminism....huhu....laws that allow other people to decide on their own if they want to spend time with me." ^^

So I really do fully agree, that specially when it comes to childrights at divorcing, fathers still have many disadvantages in many countries, and it is absolutely right to fight against that and I support it fully. Sadly some of these think of this as an fight against women or feminism, while it is in my opinion the same social problem leading to this situations. So the same oldfashioned believes, leading to people telling woman to stay at home and focus on kitchen and children, are the ones responsibles for a social system that thinks that mother would be automatically the better parent for the child, if there is an divorce, because "men dont know about children and housework" because this is woman stuff. -.-

While when it comes to that "Why cant I force a woman to be my slave anylonger." mengroups are laughable. ^^ So there may be more virgins? And? Whats the solution? Should a woman, that is not interested to have sex with someone, be forced to do so, so the statistic gets happier? O_o Being a virgin doesnt hurt someone. Raping does. Even discussing such a thing, shows clearly, why no woman wants to be touched by men that think they should have a right to force a woman to marry him, only because he wants the right to legally rape her. O_o

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Physically? No.
Mentally? Absolutely.

One of my biggest grievances is the absolute monopoly and blatant discrimination in Cancer Funding, especially when comparing Breast Cancer to Prostrate Cancer. It's a total disgrace and yet, no-one seems bothered to act.

I remember when I wanted to run and raise money for Cancer Research, only to find out:
raceforlife.cancerresearchuk.org/why-is-race-a-women-only-event/index.html

Why haven't Feminists got involved? Because if the shoe was on the other foot,

For some people, lack of sex is an issue as much as lack of romance is an issue for some others. I don't see why these issues need to be neglected just because they seem trivial to a select group of people lacking empathy for those who intensely desire such things.

There are many possible solutions that could be implemented to resolve such issues, but some feminists are going to have to first go beyond the paranoia of men suggesting rape to fix their frustration before they can be implemented. Because no one is suggesting rape as an answer as far as I can see.

Its not about triviality, its not about lacking empathy, its about thinking for solution for the problem. And there is simply none, you can be as empathic as you want, but there is simply none.

Do you think, a men should be ordered, because of a woman that is serious unhappy about lack of romance, to become her romanceslave? And do you think that would be empathic? That society and business rules should change to create a society, where woman have the power to decide men to become their slaves, and where it doesnt matter what men want? I dont think so.

It is not about a lack about empathy, it is because of empathy, that I dont want anyone to become another one slaves out of economical reasons.

We dont live in heaven. We live on earth. So we must accept, that sometimes we dont get to choose between the solutions we wanted the most. But while you as free person still are able to choose between different solutions, even if the one you wished is not among it, a slave is being forced a solution from its master and he cannot decide which one of the existing solutions, is at least the best one for him in his eyes.

So which solutions seems to lack more empathy in your eyes? The one, where one is master and can choose as he desires and the other one is slave and can choose nothing? Or the solution in where both are whether slave nor master, and none can decide to do as he wishes, while non also can be forced to being a slave to another ones wishes?

So my empathy tells me, it is rather better living a life with a possibility of being unhappy, then living a life with a slave as my property.

I am listening.

One solution would be for society overall to encourage more volunteers to be sex workers (male and female). I suspect the majority of the various forms of feminism (aside from religion) is a major obstacle in the face of such a solution. And your post is rather telling of the mentality of many feminists (as you've turned it into a false dilemma thing between either being unhappy and unsatisfied sexually or treating women as sex slaves). So I think it's the slut-shaming that needs to be eradicated so that more women would be less hesitant/ashamed to have sex even if it's for money, and more men would have their sexual satisfaction in return. And vice versa as well. Of course, these things are already happening within society, but this needs to be supported more publicly by movements as big as feminism and other similar movements. So there will be less shame to women when it comes to having sex.

When it comes to dating and romance, I believe some proper organized education for adolescents and adults (and even older children) would be handy. It would be a good subject to teach at school. That way, more opportunities for those who want love to find it and in a proper healthy way. It would also clear a lot of misconceptions that people of either gender have of people of the other gender. And people who wouldn't have been able to find love within this society and wouldn't have entered any relationship and/or get married would be more likely to do so with such proper education.

What say you? Certainly no master or slave business going on in here. Unless that's the consent of both willing adults, that is. Which, in such case, should be their business, not ours.

Well, prostitution should be legal. Not only shouldn't it be the government's business if someone receives money after consensual sex, but keeping it illegal makes it more likely for prostitutes to be coerced and threatened because they aren't likely to get police help.

It may be noteworthy that Thai men never complain about Thai women, nor do Thai men have any reason to whine about not getting any sex.

Well, if you have any counter-examples, then please enlighten us. You've stated that there are feminist porn stars. Name some.

Annie Sprinkle off the top of my head. And....

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2 ... tting-off/

http://www.vice.com/read/erika-lust-is- ... inist-porn

http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/2012/04/2 ... 2-winners/

Just google

As already mentioned in two other threads, I fully accept the desicion of women, working as prostitutes and see nothing bad about it. But these job already exist. So beside the USA, where prostitution is still illegal, how can this be a solution, to an existing problem, when the so called solution already exists, but the problems is still there? You want sex? Go for it. According to this, there should be no more problems: If there still are, its not an solution. So when there are woman, that are willing to have sex, and there are men that want sex, how could there still be a problem for men that want sex. - Ah, yes. Free women want to have an advantage on their own, so they want money for their work as everyone else. And here we are again: Bad feminism, allowing women to decide that they want to have payment for their work instead to behave like nice little slaves. ^^

I personally dont think that teaching about flirting in school would be a good thing. How can you teach someone, to go for his own deeds? From my oppinion it would worsen the actual things like "Men has to do xyz and behave xyz to be right, according to teached flirting rules." and "Woman has to do xyz and behave xyz to be right, according to teached flirting rules." I think this is responsible for the problems you speak of. I myself also had these problems, until I completely gave up on that entire dating s**t. The problem, from my side is exactly that society already teaches people how they shall flirt and do relationships. And if you dont fit into this, you are wrong, and not interesting for a partner. So the rules, were easy. Just be a complete other person then the one, that I am, pretend to like things that cause me a meltdown and denie the things that I like. Oh great. And this shall be teached in school? Specialists for depressions will like the idea.

Dont you think, that maybe this already existing flirt rules ARE the problem? I have many "male-geek" hobbies. Many of the men I met around my hobbies are really good guys. You can talk and discuss normally with them, they have a job that is sufficient and ok, they wished themself to have a girlfriend. So why dont they have one, while lots of other absolute dumb idiot guys have one? Because there are already flirting rules existing, and according to them, you are not allowed to be a geeky guy, with geeky hobbies like Pen and Paper Roleplaying or Tabletop games, sufficient job, normal clean cloths that dont go after fashion ... Its these flirting rules, telling people that its better to have the dumbbrain idiot with the fashion cloths and the soccer hobby. "Because this is like a man is." *puke* They are even advertising these idiotic flirting rules in television like that idiotic "the geek and the model" show and so on. So there is a completely normal guy, and a woman that does absolutely nothing that has a worth for anyone and has left reality when she got her first barbie with 5 years: And this idiotic useless woman is telling someone with a worthy job, that is a usefull part of society, in which way he is wrong? O_o Puts him some cloth on as he was a doll, giving him some useless hairstyle and then "Oh is that gread! Now you are an adorable men according to existing flirting rules. You are now SO different! Because you dont like yourself anymore, and from now on you hide your damn geeky hobby from others, that are part of you, from others." And this s**t is accepted and a good thing, according to the already existing flirting rules.

Its that rules, that are causing the problems. You can be a fine woman, but if you dont do that nonsense stuff, you are worthless, according to these rules. And you can be a fine man as well, but if you dont fit into that nonsensestuff, you are worthless. Thats what people already get told, and thats whats causing the problems. And you want people to teach that stuff in school, so that really every girl knows that a guy with geeky hobbies is a looser, according to flirt rules, and every guy gets to know that a girl not wearing make up is not worth a partnership?

Because of this already existing rules, I shitted on the whole flirting on partnership stuff. And the thing why I had the luck of having an relationship, was because I finally met a boy that shitted on these rules as much as I.

I don't think so, necessarily. It's NOT just guys doing things like this, and besides, I highly doubt Thai society pushes Thai women to have sex with foreign men. Actually, it's novelty sex. The same thing happens over here. Male Turkish exchange students typically go home loaded with STD's after a semester in Europe or the U.S. "Study abroad" programs are majority women for a reason.

Dating foreign doesn't have to be about sexism, not that I'm a huge fan of it, but that's personal preference. I think everyone would have it easier if both men and women dated outside their race or ethnicity more often.

I don't think that male sexuality is any different than female sexuality, in terms of drive, intensity, or anything else. I think some societies just put more pressure on women to be less open about it.

Thanks for that. You've given me something over which to mull for a bit. Previously, all I've really noticed coming from those who wear the Feminist label is statements like "Men are worms, who don't DESERVE sex! And, don't you DARE objectify us sexually!" For me, this is a new point of view that merits some consideration.

Well, the USA does have a very puritanical streak, which we will probably never overcome. Are American Feminists more Puritanical than Feminists in other countries?