Pleiadians/Plejarans?

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I have just the thing for you. Look at this:
http://www.crispian.net/PTIR/Nonsense.html

ruveyn

I keep hearing that its something slightly different - ie. two part event. 1/3 dropped away for their own reasons, ie. just meandered too far. Some people claim that the creation of man was an ultimatum, perhaps another 1/3 would have been on the fence and had an Oh s%^& moment when they realized what God was doing. Per that narrative 200 of the watchers got the idea to go down and visit earth women.

I see there's no way to win. I swear having you around is like having a wife sometimes.



To answer you both:

I tried replacing crack cocaine with Scientology and realized I still needed something stronger.

Trite/breezy questions will receive trite/breezy answers.

To be a 'little' nicer and give the minimum:

My atheism wasn't working for me; too many loose ends with regard to the religious, faith healers, psychics, NDE's (the near-term aspects such as telling doctors what they said), random number generators spiking with world events;' I was having trouble keeping the corners of the rug on the ground with that much underneath it.

With that I had to wonder what was happening, the more I researched all this stuff it seemed to come to that in the quantum soup of things our thoughts have a material effect; ie. not only do people see fairies, big foot, aliens, etc. but if enough people have the same imaginary friend or enemy people who've never heard of it will start seeing it. In other words I strongly get the impression that while Newtonian physics works fine for engineering, medicine, etc. we're still missing many ingredients that consciousness registers - let alone how it effects things. I also, with equal strength, get the impression (from a lot of research) that all subconscious is connected, that beneath the layers we can kind of superposition awareness so to speak, and that mass subconscious ideas with enough drive can sort of heat what we think of as reality to a boil, when that happens or in the right places you'll have strange things happen - not only sightings but even physical manifestations. Aliens, Bigfoot, Virgin Mary apparitions (or Isis - depending on your take), it happens not because people are stupid, self-deceiving, or are running full bore at denying reality - we're simply missing a pretty healthy layer of what's there.

I can't strictly leave it there though. Simple alien abductions could be hypnogogic sleep phenomena, then again there are enough who'd claim that sleep in and of itself sort of opens up a whole other can of worms in terms of what happens that by and large we don't remember as we're deep down in our subconscious minds. I've had some incredibly strange flashes of insight from my own subcosncious at times (particularly during my atheistic period) that told me - at a minimum - that the subconscious mind is an absolute colossus and for some reason we just don't have access to it while awake. It made me wonder, even with the possibility of no God, that via evolution and the characteristics we took on that we might have sort of 'created' an afterlife and spiritual buildup that we'd enter before turning around and coming back.

The more research I did though and the more I got into looking seriously and deeply at the underpinnings of new age, theosophy, and what I didn't realize in effect masonry and Ophiel Gnosticism in the case of the last two - the stories for some reason love to bind themselves to biblical predictions; either because we're in the west and want Christianity, neoplatonism, Sumerian and Egyptian mystery schools, Gnosticism, and Kabalism to have a big group hug - or, we've got a system that we're very much being guided toward, seemingly in a loving way, by forces that go by all kinds of identities (most of which have a lot to say about the divinity of Christ). Take a look at channelings and how they work sometimes - I can't argue with the possibility that they might be full of crap, but I very much get the impression that these people are getting very real entities. From there the pieces start coming together.

In the most seemingly materialist hypothetical sense - even if this were just a whole bunch of people with subconscious wishes boiling to the surface, like I said earlier, *something* is happening and it is a mass-conscious event.

Another question: have you considered that perhaps you are a victim of confirmation bias? Also, what makes all that stuff seem more likely than simple human chemistry? Our brains are quite good at tricking us.

Yes. I would have looked into this stuff seven years sooner if I wasn't.

Because its outside of human chemistry.

How so?

Random number generators aren't in our heads, although their coin flips stretch significantly out of skew when global calamities are underway. People in ER's with flat-lined EEG's don't have working brains to tell what's being talked about in the hospital lobby while they're flat-lined. A person who sees something they've never heard of that someone else made up, reflexively, hasn't heard of it to hallucinate it. As a non-psychic I can only tell you as much about you as I can find on Google, Facebook, Wrongplanet, or background investigative pay-sites if I want to go there - psychics/mediums don't have that problem. There's a local neurologist and faith healer in town (Cleveland Area) working with NASA and Harvard right now to prove unified field theory in healing and consciousness as well as explain the electromagnetic aspects of what he does; machines quantifying magnetic fluctuation off of a person aren't in our heads.

Then again I don't know where you're going entirely - ie. Jane Robert's channeling of Seth would say that all of our five-sensory input comes from the higher self or personal oversoul to the inner self and out to us which are facing away from that complex; thus ALL is in our heads and that we have joint contracts to the same data which makes up the particular camouflage that we call our known physical universe. If that's what you meant I can disprove that about as much as I can disprove that our planetary oversoul and savior is Jesus Christ and that the church will fully become one body with the trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) in the 3rd heaven. The best I can do is work with what I have available and see what fits.

I don't know of anyone who's come back from a flat EEG. A flat EKG, sure - that just means your heart stopped, modern medicine can help you recover from that. Even apparent cessation of the higher functions has occasionally reversed itself. But brain-death is it, man.

As for the Pleiades - that's an open globular cluster consisting of several B-class blue-white giants which appear to have formed sometime in the past 100 million years. Even if planets formed around them almost immediately, and something managed to protect one of the planets from something like the extinction event that ended the Permian period, there would not have been time enough for sapient species to evolve. Further, something that did evolve around such a star would hardly look to Sol for life forms - they would regard G-class yellow dwarfs as being far too cool to support life as they know it. So no, nobody from the Pleiades is here.

There has been plentiful debunking of alien contact at all on Earth - for now, we'll just close with Dr. David Brin's note that even if all those alien abduction stories are correct, we can still rule out contact by intelligent alien life...

I think the reason this mystifies and intrigues so many cardiologists and doctors in this area is that they have such strong repeat exposure - ie. pairings if you will - between the patients, their EEG's, anaesthesia, the effects, so it seems like they're used to coming to the table with the notion that conscious awareness is long gone even before an EEG flat-lines. This is probably why ER physicians have been the most excitable professional group, ie. the paradox shines much brighter for them than anyone else.

Also Sam Parnia notes that death is a process and that it can take the brain even 8 hours to fully die, so its true that people wouldn't be getting revived and be fully 'dead'.


The claim tends to be 'direction of the Pleiades' but actual system is Plejarus (?), whatever Plejaran refers to, which is supposedly 80 light-years farther back.

I have to agree, the stuff is weeeieieieirrrrd. Still, they've been getting kicked around for a long time by a lot of different people as being or having some type of foothold in reality - ie. transdimensional, transplanetary, it seems like they've lent a bit more credence than to be purely thought-forms hallucinated from the collective unconscious or archetypal bank.

This is ancient mythology dude, all the early civilizations talk about this, Gilgamesh was a nephilim.

When our solar system reached its 100 millionth birthday- the Earth hadnt even evolved bacteria yet! The Permian Extinction Event was still over four billion years in the future!

Eternal thanks for this link. I shall print it out and hang it high.

Its truly a remarkable talisman to those who are terrified of anything they can't control and which may indeed unwittingly control them (not saying you or ruveyn - just in general).

I'm still completely hypnotized by that chart though - ie. whoever wrote it takes 'running away' and denial of anything inconvenient/uncomfortable/incompatable to a whole new level

Well, most of the stuff in that pediodic table is pretty batshit crazy. Hollow earth? Creationism? Scientology? End of the World crap? Feng Shui? It looks like the episode list for Penn&Teller BS.

I acknowledge the theory as a possibility, but I don't take it much further than that and I'm not exactly sitting here waiting for the shiny ships.

I think it's daft to assume we're alone in the universe. The question for me is *where* is everyone else, and *have* they made any contact or observations. The nearest intelligent life could be in a different galaxy for all we know.