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22 Jul 2013, 9:35 pm

Uh huh, trying to make me feel all naughty and stuff is an exercise in futility. The only ones that should feel naughty are you, your allies, and the media for using someone's death for your own gains in the attempt to inflate this beyond proportion.


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22 Jul 2013, 9:54 pm

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Uh huh, trying to make me feel all naughty and stuff is an exercise in futility. The only ones that should feel naughty are you, your allies, and the media for using someone's death for your own gains in the attempt to inflate this beyond proportion.

Not sure what agenda you think I have? I do know that you seem to be at great pains to make George Zimmerman look like a knight in shining armour.



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22 Jul 2013, 10:12 pm

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Uh huh, trying to make me feel all naughty and stuff is an exercise in futility. The only ones that should feel naughty are you, your allies, and the media for using someone's death for your own gains in the attempt to inflate this beyond proportion.

Not sure what agenda you think I have? I do know that you seem to be at great pains to make George Zimmerman look like a knight in shining armour.


No, I haven't been trying to paint Zimmerman as a knight in shining armor. Even if I had it would, in a way, be justified since the media and your type has spent so much effort condemning him, even before the trial. Did you even watch any of that trial?


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22 Jul 2013, 10:44 pm

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Uh huh, trying to make me feel all naughty and stuff is an exercise in futility. The only ones that should feel naughty are you, your allies, and the media for using someone's death for your own gains in the attempt to inflate this beyond proportion.

Not sure what agenda you think I have? I do know that you seem to be at great pains to make George Zimmerman look like a knight in shining armour.


No, I haven't been trying to paint Zimmerman as a knight in shining armor. Even if I had it would, in a way, be justified since the media and your type has spent so much effort condemning him, even before the trial. Did you even watch any of that trial?

My type? it's quite clear he escaped a charge of manslaughter by the skin of his teeth. How exactly do you justify stalking a complete stranger minding his own business with an armed loaded weapon that results in the stranger being shot dead and no witnesses?



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22 Jul 2013, 10:45 pm

George has some good traits and he tries (maybe at times too hard)

But it sounds like he had really the wrong attitude to be a community watch volunteer. He got out of the car even though the police dispatcher asked him to remain in the car, and making some statement like, I'm tired of these assh*les getting away.



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22 Jul 2013, 11:10 pm

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Raptor wrote:
Uh huh, trying to make me feel all naughty and stuff is an exercise in futility. The only ones that should feel naughty are you, your allies, and the media for using someone's death for your own gains in the attempt to inflate this beyond proportion.

Not sure what agenda you think I have? I do know that you seem to be at great pains to make George Zimmerman look like a knight in shining armour.


No, I haven't been trying to paint Zimmerman as a knight in shining armor. Even if I had it would, in a way, be justified since the media and your type has spent so much effort condemning him, even before the trial. Did you even watch any of that trial?

My type? it's quite clear he escaped a charge of manslaughter by the skin of his teeth. How exactly do you justify stalking a complete stranger minding his own business with an armed loaded weapon that results in the stranger being shot dead and no witnesses?


Again, did you watch any of the trial? I did not have time to watch all of it but enough of it to say that if the state had a case against Zimmerman they didn't do a very good job of presenting it in the trial. What more do you want, a lynch mob?


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23 Jul 2013, 12:25 am

AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
George has some good traits and he tries (maybe at times too hard)

But it sounds like he had really the wrong attitude to be a community watch volunteer. He got out of the car even though the police dispatcher asked him to remain in the car, and making some statement like, I'm tired of these assh*les getting away.


well there was many break ins in the area, he said he got out of his truck to confirm the address and trayvon committed felony battery. I support zimmerman in his actions. I dont know if you have ever been assaulted but I have and I would have loved to have a firearm to defend myself instead of being able to do nothing but wish it was over



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23 Jul 2013, 12:53 am

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cyberdad wrote:
Raptor wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Uh huh, trying to make me feel all naughty and stuff is an exercise in futility. The only ones that should feel naughty are you, your allies, and the media for using someone's death for your own gains in the attempt to inflate this beyond proportion.

Not sure what agenda you think I have? I do know that you seem to be at great pains to make George Zimmerman look like a knight in shining armour.


No, I haven't been trying to paint Zimmerman as a knight in shining armor. Even if I had it would, in a way, be justified since the media and your type has spent so much effort condemning him, even before the trial. Did you even watch any of that trial?

My type? it's quite clear he escaped a charge of manslaughter by the skin of his teeth. How exactly do you justify stalking a complete stranger minding his own business with an armed loaded weapon that results in the stranger being shot dead and no witnesses?


Again, did you watch any of the trial? I did not have time to watch all of it but enough of it to say that if the state had a case against Zimmerman they didn't do a very good job of presenting it in the trial. What more do you want, a lynch mob?


I've read the transcripts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_F ... _Zimmerman

Here's an interesting observation from the last person (other than Zimmerman) to see Tray martin alive ;
Andrew Gaugh was the 7-Eleven clerk that sold Martin snacks. He said that Martin paid with cash, and he did not see anything suspicious about Martin's behavior.

Now what exactly did Zimmerman see that other people did not? Did Zimmerman use his "super powers" of intuition? nope...As Obama suggests he was stalked and (eventually) shot simply for being a dark skinned individual in a largely white gated community.

I can pull more interesting stuff from the transcripts
Rachel Jeantel Witness #8, was a friend of Martin's in elementary school and high school. Jeantel testified that she was on the phone with Martin during the incident and that they were on the phone together while Martin was at the 7-Eleven. Jeantel said as she remained on the phone with Martin, the man who was allegedly following him reappeared and "He said, "Why are you following me for?", and then I heard a hard breathed man come and say "What are you doing around here?"." Jeantel testified that she said "Trayvon, Trayvon" and she "started to hear a little bit of Trayvon saying, get off, get off." Jeantel then said she heard Martin's phone headset fall and Martin say "get off." The phone went dead and Jeantel says she didn’t speak to Martin again.

It's not like she lied since the phone records can be checked...



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23 Jul 2013, 1:21 am

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Has anyone suggested it's a set up yet?


Only about half the knuckleheads in PPR...


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23 Jul 2013, 1:29 am

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What it cost Zimmerman! Really? I'd say, his misjudgment cost others a lot more. He needs to learn to stay in his vehicle no matter what he sees.


His reputation, a lot of money, a year of his life, plus all those death threats hanging over him, to start.

So, burning building full of orphaned children, woman being dragged into the bushes, people trapped under overturned cars, just drive on by because people on the internet think he should mind his own business? I don't think you're in any position to question someone elses judgement if you're really putting that opinion forward. I'll give you the credit that you're denying Zimmerman for a genuine good deed for admitting that the jury was correct and you were wrong, but you're squandering it with this continued petulance.


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23 Jul 2013, 1:32 am

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How exactly do you justify keeping an eye on someone you don't know in your crime plagued neighborhood, and then defending yourself when he attacks you?


Fixed that for you, you had a bit of BS stuck to your post, but it washed right off.


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23 Jul 2013, 6:15 am

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How exactly do you justify keeping an eye on someone you don't know in your crime plagued neighborhood, and then defending yourself when he attacks you?


Fixed that for you, you had a bit of BS stuck to your post, but it washed right off.


Shucks! now you made my statement sound like fiction.



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23 Jul 2013, 6:26 am

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Not everyone will stop and help, though. Some don't want to get involved or think they have more important things to do like going to Starbucks.


Is that allowed? If you refuse help in an emergency in my country, you get sentenced for refusing that help. (So its according to the ability of the person to help. But if you are physical and mental able to help you are forced to do so, until the first official helper is here or an obvious better person, as a nurse as example.)



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23 Jul 2013, 6:36 am

[Moved from News and Current Events to PPR]

Well, it would've happened sooner or later...


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23 Jul 2013, 9:05 am

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What it cost Zimmerman! Really? I'd say, his misjudgment cost others a lot more. He needs to learn to stay in his vehicle no matter what he sees.


His reputation, a lot of money, a year of his life, plus all those death threats hanging over him, to start.

So, burning building full of orphaned children, woman being dragged into the bushes, people trapped under overturned cars, just drive on by because people on the internet think he should mind his own business? I don't think you're in any position to question someone elses judgement if you're really putting that opinion forward. I'll give you the credit that you're denying Zimmerman for a genuine good deed for admitting that the jury was correct and you were wrong, but you're squandering it with this continued petulance.

I'm only going on about it because I think there is something odd going on and I'm fearful that Zimmeman may get into more unexpected messes. Yes the verdict was just, but that doesn't mean Zimmerman is all kittens and roses. I don't disagree that helping someone in need is desirable, but I think there's more going on here.



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23 Jul 2013, 12:09 pm

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I've read the transcripts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_F ... _Zimmerman

Here's an interesting observation from the last person (other than Zimmerman) to see Tray martin alive ;
Andrew Gaugh was the 7-Eleven clerk that sold Martin snacks. He said that Martin paid with cash, and he did not see anything suspicious about Martin's behavior.

Now what exactly did Zimmerman see that other people did not? Did Zimmerman use his "super powers" of intuition? nope...As Obama suggests he was stalked and (eventually) shot simply for being a dark skinned individual in a largely white gated community.

That gated community had recently had multiple burglaries. People in gated communities tend to be more observant. Just because someone was acting normal in the 7-11 doesnt mean they were acting the same someplace else.

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I can pull more interesting stuff from the transcripts
Rachel Jeantel Witness #8, was a friend of Martin's in elementary school and high school. Jeantel testified that she was on the phone with Martin during the incident and that they were on the phone together while Martin was at the 7-Eleven. Jeantel said as she remained on the phone with Martin, the man who was allegedly following him reappeared and "He said, "Why are you following me for?", and then I heard a hard breathed man come and say "What are you doing around here?"." Jeantel testified that she said "Trayvon, Trayvon" and she "started to hear a little bit of Trayvon saying, get off, get off." Jeantel then said she heard Martin's phone headset fall and Martin say "get off." The phone went dead and Jeantel says she didn’t speak to Martin again.

It's not like she lied since the phone records can be checked...

Yes, well the jury wasn't convinced.


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