Should we support our government's foreign policy?

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simon_says
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08 Aug 2013, 7:17 pm

Personally I think I should have access to the nuclear codes. You may disagree but that's only because you are a government stooge.



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08 Aug 2013, 7:18 pm

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I agree completely. The Allied governments should have informed their citizens about the *real* D-Day plans rather than deceiving everyone with Operation Bodyguard. Both FDR and Ike should have faced a court-martial and a firing squad for their deceptive shenanigans.

Edit: Accidental redundancy.


You must be jesting. Telling the citizens what the real D-invasion is would be telling the Germans as well. Operation Overlord would have been a disaster for the Allies. As it was, it was a fairly close call. If Rommel had been able to convince Fearless Leader to free up the tanks, the Allies would have been smashed on the beaches.

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09 Aug 2013, 4:54 am

Kurgan wrote:
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I do not support the government in the first place.

And as a European, nothing bad is going to happen to you because of this. This goes for Americans as well.

Well that depends on how I show my displeasure does it not? I know you are saying that I have freedom of speech, I respect that freedom and also democracy as it is better than any of the other options.
I also respect honesty and would like to see people in office who don't constantly spew BS out of their mouths and issue bland non-statements written by PR consultants, honour the promises they do make, especially the promises that they have given in order to get elected, and are not complicit in corruption, but they are only human after all.



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09 Aug 2013, 11:09 am

Next time somebody says that Aspies understand sarcasm, I will definitely not link them to this thread.



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09 Aug 2013, 11:12 am

Insert "don't" and remove the "not", bingo, it's a winner.



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09 Aug 2013, 5:33 pm

neilson_wheels wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
neilson_wheels wrote:
I do not support the government in the first place.

And as a European, nothing bad is going to happen to you because of this. This goes for Americans as well.

Well that depends on how I show my displeasure does it not? I know you are saying that I have freedom of speech, I respect that freedom and also democracy as it is better than any of the other options.
I also respect honesty and would like to see people in office who don't constantly spew BS out of their mouths and issue bland non-statements written by PR consultants, honour the promises they do make, especially the promises that they have given in order to get elected, and are not complicit in corruption, but they are only human after all.


Either everybody has to be completely honest or nobody can be. People have limited knowledge about the difference between the executive branch and the legislative branch, as well as very little knowledge about what can be achieved in just four years. Let's say that there are five noteworthy, significant parties in a given country; four of these are brutaly honest and give the people unpleasant truths--one spoonfeeds the people populistic lies on how they all of a sudden support The Pirate Bay, how they will cut the unemployment rate in half and of course how they will give the people six hour workdays with no cuts in the salaries. Who do you think people will vote for?



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09 Aug 2013, 6:05 pm

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Its hard to know what to believe with at the moment. I'm certain this method of interrogation was only aimed at those who were thinking about living in the U.K illegally, like past their cut-off date or something and reassuring us that people from outside the borders wont be coming by unchecked for migration next year. Just like the term a bird migrates south for the winter.
A wild flock of geese wont keep more out this time, even if Gordon B had tried to stop them in a non-protest march.

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Can't we just do things the right way for once. Like going down the noble route? doesn't royalty stand for equal diversity? strength in numbers and all that. These aren't just rules, they're standards too.



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09 Aug 2013, 7:11 pm

The politicians within the government have different views on what foreign policy should be, as well as the people who live under the government. If one of the officials at the top of the apex says that you're a traitor for not agreeing with their personal views, then they're basically a narcissist who's expressing their desire to be an autocrat. An ideal system of government wouldn't place a single individual at the top of the apex of any branch. Without a single individual at the head of any branch of government, there would be no figure heads to tell you what to think, and it would become harder for politicians to be corrupted by power. The problem is that creating a system of government that's close to being a pure heterarchy would be very complex, and it would probably make the country a lot more susceptible to corruption from foreign governments.



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09 Aug 2013, 11:23 pm

I support my government's foreign policy as long as it has this kind of backing.

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10 Aug 2013, 3:46 am

Kurgan wrote:
Either everybody has to be completely honest or nobody can be................................. Who do you think people will vote for?

Exactly my point, this just shows that politics has devolved to the lowest common denominator, all of them are putting out the same amount of BS. Changing policies every four years wastes such a ridiculous amount of money but people don't have a choice as all parties do the same. Election campaigns revolve around what is bad about the other party, not what can be improved. The last time the Conservatives were in power in the UK their policies were becoming more and more unpopular, just before the election they gave an income tax cut and were voted in again, it is that simple.



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10 Aug 2013, 4:00 am

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An ideal system of government wouldn't place a single individual at the top of the apex of any branch.

Ideally policies would be made by cross-party groups and money wasted on policy change after elections would be kept to a minimum.



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10 Aug 2013, 4:01 am

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I support my government's foreign policy as long as it has this kind of backing.

I bet your blinkers have the stars and stripes printed on both the inside and the outside.



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10 Aug 2013, 11:43 am

neilson_wheels wrote:
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I support my government's foreign policy as long as it has this kind of backing.

I bet your blinkers have the stars and stripes printed on both the inside and the outside.


WTF is a blinker?


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10 Aug 2013, 12:05 pm

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10 Aug 2013, 12:18 pm

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We call those blinders on this side of the pond.


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10 Aug 2013, 12:37 pm

Yes, I know.