Socialism vs. Capitalism

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There *is* one system with a lot of support that hasn't been tried yet. Perhaps it's time for a free market?

32% capitalist, 68% socialist.

I like government which has little power but provides lots of services.

Niceley said



May I suggest you define what you think of as socialism, non of the regime's you are talking about equate to mine nor Alexius understanding of them. The idea that a socialist state could be "created" or imposed by one state on another is an anathema to the idea of a workers state.

Capitalism/free markets provide the greatest benefit for society. Also, due to unfettered creativity that accompanies it, the greatest benefit for humans.

That said, there is no pure capitalist society. The US comes closest and has dominated the world economy as a result.

Compromise with altruists is inevitable though and the further we go down that slope the worse off we will be. "Fairness" can not be forced. It occurs naturally through free association.

Would you argue we are closer to mercantilism than capitalim? What do you think of IP? I think we have had quasi capitalism, that have been powered by IP monopolies.

We haven't yet gotten close. There's always been looters claiming the moral right to receive some of everything that's produced, and not even in America did they avoid doing things to favour certain companies, such as the railroad land grants.

I agree. The two things that get me are the income tax and the fed. Eliminate those, and I would be pretty happy. From the Uk?

Hong Kong came much closer.

ruveyn

Just the usual definition, for example from Encylopaedia Britannica:



If you or the OP are arguing for a specific form of socialism that differs from those that were common during the 20th century then you should specify what that form is, otherwise of course people are going to bring up the many forms of socialism that were tried and failed. It seems to me to be veering dangerously into 'No True Scotsman' territory to try to define away the more unsavoury socialist regimes as 'not really socialist', I for example would never deny that the horrible Pinochet regime was capitalist even though it was awful in almost every other way.

A friend of mine once said "A true capitalist society would be the worst kind of place a person could ever live"

I agree completely, In a true capitalist society the government owns nothing so no public schools, no public transport, no public police department, no public military, no public hospitals, no public ambulance services, no public fire brigades, absolutely no workers rights, no minimum wage, no holidays or sick leave, no safety standards at work, no pensions for the disabled or elderly or those who cant work or find a job and theirs a no to many other things I can't think off the top of my head right now.

Every country has a mixed economy, but I believe socialism is vastly superior to capitalism.

The US does not dominate the world economy they are just about to default on their debts very soon and china just about owns their entire country.

noyial43 how is feeding starving people, giving jobs to the jobless, supporting the disabled, elderly and other who cant work for the moment, making sure everyone has a free first class education and has access to free first class health care, paying people for the actual value of their work and giving everyone an equal opportunity to succeed along with an end to discrimination going to put us in a worse off position.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I encourage them to formulate their own opinions.

How is demanding what people produce at gunpoint really going to help society?

In a pure free market, hospitals would be owned by non-profits, education would be done by co-operatives, the roads would be built and maintained by agreements between the settlements they serve...

You Are 100% Capitalist, 0% Socialist



You're a capitalist pig - and proud of it.
You believe that business makes the world great...
And you'd never be ashamed of being rich!

I always thought you were socialist haha. Sorry for judging .

I will take issue with the education system. Public schooling was hell for me, although that was before I knew I had aspergers. To me, it produces rude, inconsiderate, and intolerant stuck ups. Of course not all, but the average school does. Sorry.

You Are 8% Capitalist, 92% Socialist



You see a lot of injustice in the world, and you'd like to see it fixed.
As far as you're concerned, all the wrong people have the power.
You're strongly in favor of the redistribution of wealth - and more protection for the average person.

Sounds about right.

Would you prefer no education at all.