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30 May 2014, 4:53 pm

How hard is it to put a sticker on that says GMO?Like Joe Blow even reads that stuff anyway,I do,but that's just me.I have problems with food additives.


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30 May 2014, 5:06 pm

What reason is there to put a sticker on food that says "GM" rather than a myriad of other agricultural methods? Why not force labelling of foods grown on south-facing hillsides, or species that are not native to the country, or cultivars which would not survive in the wild, or that have lost more than half their nature genetic diversity thanks to traditional selective breeding?



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30 May 2014, 5:07 pm

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30 May 2014, 5:18 pm

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What reason is there to put a sticker on food that says "GM" rather than a myriad of other agricultural methods? Why not force labelling of foods grown on south-facing hillsides, or species that are not native to the country, or cultivars which would not survive in the wild, or that have lost more than half their nature genetic diversity thanks to traditional selective breeding?

Stuff growing on the south face doesn't have salmon genes in it.
They have a sticker for irradiated foods,what's the big deal.


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30 May 2014, 5:30 pm

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What reason is there to put a sticker on food that says "GM" rather than a myriad of other agricultural methods? Why not force labelling of foods grown on south-facing hillsides, or species that are not native to the country, or cultivars which would not survive in the wild, or that have lost more than half their nature genetic diversity thanks to traditional selective breeding?

Stuff growing on the south face doesn't have salmon genes in it.

What's your point?



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30 May 2014, 5:37 pm

I don't see any threat to my health if something grows on the south slope of a hill,but I could be at risk if I regularly consume GMO food.


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30 May 2014, 6:05 pm

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I don't see any threat to my health if something grows on the south slope of a hill,but I could be at risk if I regularly consume GMO food.

There is no threat to your health if you consume GM food. The possible exception is if the gene in question code for a protein that can cause an allergic reaction. I agree that if that ever happens, the food should be labelled appropriately. However, GM foods do not pose a health risk in themselves.



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30 May 2014, 6:12 pm

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Because a lot of people think, despite all the evidence, that GMOs are not safe. If the foods were labelled, it would hurt profits.


There is evidence they are not safe.

GMO food is not genetically engineered to be better for you. Its engineered to have higher yields and to reduce the risk of crop loss.

Monsanto uses roundup. Roundup is very toxic. If you drink half a cup of the stuff you die. Tons of that stuff is sprayed onto every field that uses monsanto roundup-ready GMO food.

Problem? Roundup levels in food AT THE MARKET have been detected in every product...and found to be extremely high. That poison builds up in your body...its no different than mercury levels in fish really. You can eat a can of tuna a week and it wont hurt you...but if you eat a can of tuna every day the mercury will build up to toxic levels in your body and cause major health problems.

Monsanto also has a very nasty habit of destroying farmers that are found with their GMO plants without license... and those farmers do not use GMO seeds. It has been PROVEN that the GMO genes are being passed into wild/native/non-GMO species by natural process. This is extremely dangerous to the food supply and diversity.

Finally, Monsanto patented the 'terminator' gene. Its a gene that makes the plant produce its product/seed/fruit/whatever just once and then it kills itself. If that gene gets into the wild and spreads (as it is known 100% to happen even cross-species) you will literally be killing the food chain from the bottom up. If that wasn't spooky enough, the terminator gene is part of a gene-chain shared by plants and animals alike. Humans share 70 something % of their genes with a banana...now imagine the terminator gene jumping to mammals and eventually to us.

Monsanto has a horrible record in ethics and scientific integrity. They've been found more than once shoving money into politician's asses to get their way and releasing false research data... but that company is so smeared and lodged into political food chain its too big to fail.

Any food containing GMO should be labelled. I would not purchase it. But I hardly have that option so as a consumer and the market as a whole cannot run Monsanto and its cronies out of business. Nifty little safety loop they keep don't they? Plenty of congressional asses wiggle contentedly as the coins inside jingle.



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30 May 2014, 6:13 pm

It's not just eating it that worries me.I order seeds that are heirloom,more seed companies are having problems with corn seed that has been pollinated with GMO pollen.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... fied-crop/


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30 May 2014, 7:29 pm

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Text of the Farmer's Assurance Provision (because that's what it's called, and I'm not a brainwashed, propagandized, anti-science, anti-GMO yahoo, and I refuse to be swept up in the emotional, irrational, agenda-driven hype):


Interesting. So tell me then, if its safe why do they want to prevent people from labeling foods that have GMOs in it?

Because a lot of people think, despite all the evidence, that GMOs are not safe. If the foods were labelled, it would hurt profits.

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I am not really sure what the emotional agenda against GMOs would be exactly either

There is a lot of hysteria about GMOs being "unnatural", and therefore bad. It's solely an emotional argument.


Wow, the level of ignorance among people is astounding. Unnatural, yes. Plant are modified so that they can be sprayed with copious amounts of extremely neurotoxic poisons without killing the plant, those poisons make their way on to your plate, in to your body and up to your brain but its all just hysteria.

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I am not really sure what the emotional agenda against GMOs would be exactly either. Its clear you just want to sound more educated that you likely are.


No, I just ask for evidence of claims rather than fear-mongering and vague conspiracism. I have no emotional investment in the causes of internet activists.



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What reason is there to put a sticker on food that says "GM" rather than a myriad of other agricultural methods? Why not force labelling of foods grown on south-facing hillsides, or species that are not native to the country, or cultivars which would not survive in the wild, or that have lost more than half their nature genetic diversity thanks to traditional selective breeding?


Sounds a lot like what the tobacco, alcohol and firework companies said when they stuck labels on those. Obviously, those warning labels put every firework, cigarette and beer company out of business in America shortly there after so the GMO people have reason to worry dont they?

Consumers have a right to decide what they put in their bodies. Yes, at the expense of a poor old mom and pop company like Monsanto.



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30 May 2014, 7:40 pm

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Yes, the guys who crated agent orange are getting even more special protection from the government. Not only does this fascists corporatist group have members of their own company in government witting their own regulations, people such as Hillary Clinton, they are getting protection from federal prosecution thanks to Pres. Obama and the rest of your criminal government.

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30 May 2014, 7:56 pm

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Yes, the guys who crated agent orange are getting even more special protection from the government. Not only does this fascists corporatist group have members of their own company in government witting their own regulations, people such as Hillary Clinton, they are getting protection from federal prosecution thanks to Pres. Obama and the rest of your criminal government.

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31 May 2014, 3:00 am

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How hard is it to put a sticker on that says GMO?Like Joe Blow even reads that stuff anyway,I do,but that's just me.I have problems with food additives.


Why not simply allow companies to put their own GMO free labels on their products if they think that's a good market to pursue? Why force the issue with a government mandate unless it's about something more than making a choice for yourself?

There's a scientific consensus that GMO foods are safe; why does that phrase sound so familiar...


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31 May 2014, 3:14 am

Monsanto is trying to get the US Congress to ban states from labeling them as in overruling state laws passed by referendum, they're not even being forced to do anything. Monsanto has an incestuous relationship with our federal government and shouldn't be trusted.



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31 May 2014, 7:49 am

Dox47 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
How hard is it to put a sticker on that says GMO?Like Joe Blow even reads that stuff anyway,I do,but that's just me.I have problems with food additives.


Why not simply allow companies to put their own GMO free labels on their products if they think that's a good market to pursue? Why force the issue with a government mandate unless it's about something more than making a choice for yourself?

There's a scientific consensus that GMO foods are safe; why does that phrase sound so familiar...

There is other stuff they said was safe,And it wasn't.People have a right to know what's going in their bodies so they can have a choice.
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31 May 2014, 8:18 am

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