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01 Jun 2014, 4:07 pm

Taxes are a tricky issue, because humans in general are insanely self-centered when it comes to money.

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01 Jun 2014, 4:12 pm

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Republican hypocrisy: they say they want less taxes and smaller government, but don't. They make fun of Democrats for wanting to raise taxes and grow government, when that is what the Republican party is about.

When a Democrat was governor in my state she tried to raise taxes, and was shot down by the Republic state congress. They called her names for trying to raise taxes. However, as soon the new Republican governor got in office, he did what he promised not to do, and put through many new tax increases. Now he is pushing to raise taxes for roads.

Republicans are the dishonest party.


The Democrats, then, are honest, card-carrying villains?


Intent. For instance, all of these states where Conservatives are changing rules for women getting abortion in order to make it next to impossible for it to happen and Conservatives say it is trying to make health care safer for women, or something like that, when what they are really trying to do ist stop abortion completely but it is still legal so Conservatives just manipulate the semantics instead of just being honest and saying what they are doing. Same thing with voter ID laws. It has nothing to do with eliminating nonexistent voter fraud. It is targeting specifically a segment of voters who are not inclined to vote for Conservatives. Just come out and say what you are doing Conservatives. Stop with the double talk. Yada yada with teaching ID design in schools. It is 100% about skirting the First Amendment and sliding religious history into science classes . The real intent is to eliminate the teaching of evolutionary theory altogether.. ID is a created "science" by semantics. It isn't real. It is fabrication.



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01 Jun 2014, 5:15 pm

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Republican hypocrisy: they say they want less taxes and smaller government, but don't. They make fun of Democrats for wanting to raise taxes and grow government, when that is what the Republican party is about.

When a Democrat was governor in my state she tried to raise taxes, and was shot down by the Republic state congress. They called her names for trying to raise taxes. However, as soon the new Republican governor got in office, he did what he promised not to do, and put through many new tax increases. Now he is pushing to raise taxes for roads.

Republicans are the dishonest party.


Taxes are necessary and most everyone knows that. Not much can be done about those who think all taxes are BS. We may not like taxes but that doesn't mean we think taxes arent necessary. How much opposition from the right there is will depend on what the tax is for and how the money will be managed. Taxes for roads that actually are spent on roads benefits everyone but taxes for more welfare does not.


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01 Jun 2014, 7:10 pm

Raptor wrote:
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Republican hypocrisy: they say they want less taxes and smaller government, but don't. They make fun of Democrats for wanting to raise taxes and grow government, when that is what the Republican party is about.

When a Democrat was governor in my state she tried to raise taxes, and was shot down by the Republic state congress. They called her names for trying to raise taxes. However, as soon the new Republican governor got in office, he did what he promised not to do, and put through many new tax increases. Now he is pushing to raise taxes for roads.

Republicans are the dishonest party.


Taxes are necessary and most everyone knows that. Not much can be done about those who think all taxes are BS. We may not like taxes but that doesn't mean we think taxes arent necessary. How much opposition from the right there is will depend on what the tax is for and how the money will be managed. Taxes for roads that actually are spent on roads benefits everyone but taxes for more welfare does not.

But welfare payments ensure that the poor don't have to steal food in order to survive. It means that their children are less likely to be hungry at school, and therefore both more likely to learn themselves and less likely to disrupt the learning of others.



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01 Jun 2014, 8:02 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
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Republican hypocrisy: they say they want less taxes and smaller government, but don't. They make fun of Democrats for wanting to raise taxes and grow government, when that is what the Republican party is about.

When a Democrat was governor in my state she tried to raise taxes, and was shot down by the Republic state congress. They called her names for trying to raise taxes. However, as soon the new Republican governor got in office, he did what he promised not to do, and put through many new tax increases. Now he is pushing to raise taxes for roads.

Republicans are the dishonest party.


Taxes are necessary and most everyone knows that. Not much can be done about those who think all taxes are BS. We may not like taxes but that doesn't mean we think taxes arent necessary. How much opposition from the right there is will depend on what the tax is for and how the money will be managed. Taxes for roads that actually are spent on roads benefits everyone but taxes for more welfare does not.


But welfare payments ensure that the poor don't have to steal food in order to survive. It means that their children are less likely to be hungry at school, and therefore both more likely to learn themselves and less likely to disrupt the learning of others.

Welfare payments don't "ensure" diddly. For the ones that steal the welfare payments are just a supplement to their thievery and dope trade incomes. It's usually not food that they steal, anyway.


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01 Jun 2014, 8:11 pm

Raptor wrote:
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Republican hypocrisy: they say they want less taxes and smaller government, but don't. They make fun of Democrats for wanting to raise taxes and grow government, when that is what the Republican party is about.

When a Democrat was governor in my state she tried to raise taxes, and was shot down by the Republic state congress. They called her names for trying to raise taxes. However, as soon the new Republican governor got in office, he did what he promised not to do, and put through many new tax increases. Now he is pushing to raise taxes for roads.

Republicans are the dishonest party.


Taxes are necessary and most everyone knows that. Not much can be done about those who think all taxes are BS. We may not like taxes but that doesn't mean we think taxes arent necessary. How much opposition from the right there is will depend on what the tax is for and how the money will be managed. Taxes for roads that actually are spent on roads benefits everyone but taxes for more welfare does not.


But welfare payments ensure that the poor don't have to steal food in order to survive. It means that their children are less likely to be hungry at school, and therefore both more likely to learn themselves and less likely to disrupt the learning of others.

Welfare payments don't "ensure" diddly. For the ones that steal the welfare payments are just a supplement to their thievery and dope trade incomes. It's usually not food that they steal, anyway.


You must surely have a low opinion of poor people if you assume they all spend money on drugs, or are thieves. In fact, the majority don't.


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01 Jun 2014, 8:20 pm

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The_Walrus wrote:
Raptor wrote:
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Republican hypocrisy: they say they want less taxes and smaller government, but don't. They make fun of Democrats for wanting to raise taxes and grow government, when that is what the Republican party is about.

When a Democrat was governor in my state she tried to raise taxes, and was shot down by the Republic state congress. They called her names for trying to raise taxes. However, as soon the new Republican governor got in office, he did what he promised not to do, and put through many new tax increases. Now he is pushing to raise taxes for roads.

Republicans are the dishonest party.


Taxes are necessary and most everyone knows that. Not much can be done about those who think all taxes are BS. We may not like taxes but that doesn't mean we think taxes arent necessary. How much opposition from the right there is will depend on what the tax is for and how the money will be managed. Taxes for roads that actually are spent on roads benefits everyone but taxes for more welfare does not.


But welfare payments ensure that the poor don't have to steal food in order to survive. It means that their children are less likely to be hungry at school, and therefore both more likely to learn themselves and less likely to disrupt the learning of others.

Welfare payments don't "ensure" diddly. For the ones that steal the welfare payments are just a supplement to their thievery and dope trade incomes. It's usually not food that they steal, anyway.


You must surely have a low opinion of poor people if you assume they all spend money on drugs, or are thieves. In fact, the majority don't.

Go back and read again. I didnt think it was necessary the first time but I went back and bolded & underlined what you seem to have missed. And the way to prevent/ end poverty is through economic growth resulting in employment, not more and more welfare.


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02 Jun 2014, 1:53 am

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When in our history did "hate" become an official, lawfully recognized synonym and substitute for, "disagree with"?


When Barrack Obama was elected President and Pelosi's Congress started incorporating conservative ideas into their laws.


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04 Jun 2014, 7:02 pm

Raptor wrote:
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Raptor wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Raptor wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Republican hypocrisy: they say they want less taxes and smaller government, but don't. They make fun of Democrats for wanting to raise taxes and grow government, when that is what the Republican party is about.

When a Democrat was governor in my state she tried to raise taxes, and was shot down by the Republic state congress. They called her names for trying to raise taxes. However, as soon the new Republican governor got in office, he did what he promised not to do, and put through many new tax increases. Now he is pushing to raise taxes for roads.

Republicans are the dishonest party.


Taxes are necessary and most everyone knows that. Not much can be done about those who think all taxes are BS. We may not like taxes but that doesn't mean we think taxes arent necessary. How much opposition from the right there is will depend on what the tax is for and how the money will be managed. Taxes for roads that actually are spent on roads benefits everyone but taxes for more welfare does not.


But welfare payments ensure that the poor don't have to steal food in order to survive. It means that their children are less likely to be hungry at school, and therefore both more likely to learn themselves and less likely to disrupt the learning of others.

Welfare payments don't "ensure" diddly. For the ones that steal the welfare payments are just a supplement to their thievery and dope trade incomes. It's usually not food that they steal, anyway.


You must surely have a low opinion of poor people if you assume they all spend money on drugs, or are thieves. In fact, the majority don't.

Go back and read again. I didnt think it was necessary the first time but I went back and bolded & underlined what you seem to have missed. And the way to prevent/ end poverty is through economic growth resulting in employment, not more and more welfare.


I understand what you mean now, but in all honesty, I could have read your post a hundred times and still come up with that interpretation, as it just doesn't come across as distinguishing between people legitimately in need, and thieving douche nozzles.


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05 Jun 2014, 12:33 pm

I guess there will always be those who abuse the welfare system: no system is completely fail-proof against it and so there will probably always be some undeserving cases, but there has to be such a system.

If people see their taxes are actually being used for something concrete, they probably don't mind too much, but don't want their taxes squandered on corruption and on stuff they didn't vote for.

Here in my country, people in a certain province were up in arms about a road toll that was imposed on the existing freeways, as people are already paying taxes they didn't feel they should have additional tax burdens... there were lots of protests and many people refuse to pay the road toll.

Just by the way, "Raptor" is an anagram of "Parrot" not eagle. I'm not suggesting anything by this, or that he should change his avatar to a parrot; just saying, since anagrams is a hobby of mine...



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05 Jun 2014, 5:10 pm

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Just by the way, "Raptor" is an anagram of "Parrot" not eagle. I'm not suggesting anything by this, or that he should change his avatar to a parrot; just saying, since anagrams is a hobby of mine...

My last avatar caused too much butthurt to the ultra-sensitive. :P


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05 Jun 2014, 5:39 pm

I completely disagree with their political agenda. I really cannot understand how someone can feel that way, but I'm not going to say that they can't feel that way. I do hate specific republicans; although, I hate specific democrats too... (the point is that I don't agree with their policies AT ALL...but I don't hate the people. I have a lot of friends who are republicans- though I do get along better with liberals)


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06 Jun 2014, 11:37 am

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Just by the way, "Raptor" is an anagram of "Parrot" not eagle. I'm not suggesting anything by this, or that he should change his avatar to a parrot; just saying, since anagrams is a hobby of mine...

My last avatar caused too much butthurt to the ultra-sensitive. :P




What was your last avatar by the way? I don't remember any previous one: maybe I'm too new here? 8)

I am not American and don't like what I hear about the Republicans, but I like your sense of humour and the fact that you care for dogs.



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Raptor wrote:
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Just by the way, "Raptor" is an anagram of "Parrot" not eagle. I'm not suggesting anything by this, or that he should change his avatar to a parrot; just saying, since anagrams is a hobby of mine...

My last avatar caused too much butthurt to the ultra-sensitive. :P


Do you feel that having an avatar that is so heavily laden with symbology makes you more American than the average Yank? Honest question, because I see that stuff and my first thought is that the person is trying to hard to look patriotic.


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06 Jun 2014, 1:01 pm

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sometimes,I feel that alot of members here
hate republicans or am I wrong.


It depends. Are you talking about the now nearly extinct version of the moderate conservative republican, or the new breed of hard-right ideologues that want to push their religious and cultural agendas down the throats of the entire population? Hate is probably too strong of a word as well.


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06 Jun 2014, 8:18 pm

Raptor wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
Just by the way, "Raptor" is an anagram of "Parrot" not eagle. I'm not suggesting anything by this, or that he should change his avatar to a parrot; just saying, since anagrams is a hobby of mine...

My last avatar caused too much butthurt to the ultra-sensitive. :P


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What was your last avatar by the way? I don't remember any previous one: maybe I'm too new here? 8)

Just the topic alone of my last avatar causes butthurt.

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I am not American and don't like what I hear about the Republicans, but I like your sense of humour
Here they call my sense of humor "trolling", not that I care. :lol:

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and the fact that you care for dogs.
I'm sincerely more benevolent toward dogs than people. That causes anger with people, too. Can't win them all.....


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