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Why should we take the word of your God instead of what the other Gods have to say? The other creation stories differ from the Jewish/Christian one. Why not the Hindus, the Odinists, the Zoroastrians?
The Bible claims to be true because it claims to be the word of God (like many other religions). Basically people claim Their Book is true because it says so on page 5 (circular reasoning). Faith is the opposite of evidence.

You know, I'd actually enjoy presenting the evidences for the authenticity of the Holy Bible, but of course, you already know all this. You've been shown these evidences many times before and have rejected them all.

"Professing themselves wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image like unto corruptible man, four-tooted beasts, and creeping things."

The online resources establishing this are considerable. But you're not interested. You've closed yourself off, and have chosen sin to rule over you instead of Christ. Had you been any kind of honest inquirer, your tone, speech, and attitude would have been markedly different.

The ONLY REASON you or anyone else like you has any bias against the Bible is because you don't like what it says. You don't like that it makes a front-row issue of your sin and the consequences for it. You might be able to deny God, His Creation, His Son, and even the coming Judgment Day for your sins, but what neither you nor anyone can deny is the reality of those sins themselves. You sin. Repeatedly, consistently, unrepentantly.

You're free to deny and defame anyone or anything that seeks to point that out, but THE SIN REMAINS.

Want to laugh about that? Be my guest. If you are so strong, wise and true, (as you like to think,) then overthrow this sin and be freed from it once and for all! If Jesus will not be your king, then surely your own strength will be!

Let's prove that right now. I have my own challenge for you, oh wise and strong ones. Refrain from any kind of sinning for one entire day. No lying, gossiping, lusting, coveting, anger, harshness, snideness, rudeness, or anything else you would condemn a Christian for doing. Just don't do any of those things for the next 24 hours and you'll have proven to yourself you are indeed master of your own life.

But the reality is, the harder you try, the worse you will become. (You can't even live up to your own standards, much less God's!)

So check back with me tomorrow and let me know how it goes.

TallyMan, Bicycle guy, Dented one, all you guys. I'm calling you out specifically. Report back to us all here on this thread the results of your 24 hour test. Such a simple thing should be no problem for such powerful strong, wise, and warrior guys like yourselves.

We'll check back tomorrow.

Listen, I will say this once and once only. Your "test" as a proof of God is idiotic!

Anyone who claims to go 24 hours without compromising their ethics to some degree I would suggest is either lying or deceiving themselves. What does this prove regarding god? absolutely nothing. In your eyes compromising ones ethics and morals is sinning, I just call it being fallible and a part of the complex nature of human emotions.

So far in all the recent threads you have not demonstrated one instance which validates your assertion that the Bible is the authentic, authoritative word of god. For pities sake i brought up some of the most commonly known contradictions and errors in the NT and you just ignore them, So are you actually going to take up the challenge of defending the accuracy of the bible or are you just going to continue to demand that we accept its authenticity based upon your demand that it is?

As I pointed out before it is not I who is blinded by dogma it is you. You are faced by a mountain of evidence that you are wrong, yet chained mind cannot accept one single piece of this evidence, why? Simply put if you accept a single bit of evidence that evolutionary theory is is some way correct it not only destroys genesis, in your mind it destroys the whole bible. I on the other hand only need a morsel of empirical evidence showing that what you say is plausible and I will start to investigate it further with an open mind.

Thing is though, even if humans could go through life sinless, we still have our flawed human nature which produces sin. Your challenge I'm afraid wouldn't work for believer or unbeliever.

I wish our greyhound would stop at four toots. Unfortunately he toots day and night without a pause. His toots are innumerable.



Speak for yourself, brother!

This is a "My God is better than yours" trollpost. I can overtrollpost you:

A classic case of empathy failure. I guess you've found the correct forum. You are embarrassing yourself and your faith. Please continue.

What a steaming pile of preachy nonsense. You don't comprehend the concept of "evidence". You talk crap about evolution and you spout science that you don't understand and you get wrong. You are unable to respond to the mountain of proof that evolution is correct (and that mountain is growing day by day). You are unable to provide the slightest tangible evidence that your god exists or that the contents of the bible are nothing more than mythology. As creationists go you are about the most naive and unconvincing we've ever had on these forums. Your arguments are a joke. Your primitive religion has outlived its day - it is of no more relevance or importance today than the religions of Zeus or Thor or the other innumerable gods that mankind has invented over the millennia. Worship whatever gods you like, it doesn't make them real, nor the mythology surrounding them real.

In my country of origin (England) and my adopted country (France), churches are falling into ruin everywhere and being demolished or converted into shops or markets. Religion is dying. Almost everyone I know never goes to any churches or other places of worship. They never talk about religion because it is totally irrelevant to their lives. You can't even say they are atheists or agnostics - they don't know themselves, nor do they care - religion simply doesn't matter to them or their lives, it is totally irrelevant. Hardly anyone gets married in churches nowadays and those that do simply want a bit of tradition (a white dress in an old building) but beyond that the religion aspect is meaningless and irrelevant. Anyone who brings up religion is thought of as a weirdo, somehow not right in the head. I'm assuming you live in America in one of the remaining holdouts where Christianity is prevalent. Hence your passion for it. I've no doubt that if you had been born in a Muslim country and brought up by Muslim parents, today you would be trying to convince us all how wonderful Mohamed was and that the Koran offers the truth about the one real religion - Islam. The religious beliefs of the vast majority of people is simply an accident of birth.

You are wasting your breathe. Save your preaching for those who are ignorant of science or who are feeble minded, save it for people who need some sort of psychological prop, who need to invent an invisible friend to support themselves or to provide a framework and direction for their life because they are incapable of providing one for themselves.

Yep he would make good bed buddies with Moviefan. At least Keet whilst monumentally wrong, understands the principles of evolutionary biology. I remember he went for several pages up against Orwell, he got his backside kicked, but at least he was able to mount what appeared to be a thoughtful if very flawed argument. Hooday and MF can only come up with the most puerile and constantly debunked fallacies straight from the mouth of Ken Ham.



Look out Tallyman you no doubt already know the response this is going to receive, it will be along the lines of

'this state of affairs is predicted in the bible, the end days are coming and The Resurrection is at hand and it will happen in your lifetime'.

Hmmm now who said something similar many years ago, oh thats right it was that apocalyptic preacher by the name of Jesus. Strange he could have been so wrong in his prediction and yet so many people still maintain he knew what he was talking about.


Like I said Hooday, if you have the merest grain of empirical evidence to support your concept of creation, I (and I strongly suspect most of the science minded on this forum) will sit up and take notice. So stop alluding to the evidence available on the web, I am here, and would greatly appreciate you supplying me with this knowledge that I am missing.

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He'll likely just throw some more bible verses at you. Hooday doesn't seem to even comprehend what empirical evidence is; let alone be able to produce any.

Hey, yesterday I unknowingly took a day off from my usual sinning My family is out of town so there was no one around to swear and curse at. I met some friends and for once managed not to lust over them or covet their belongings and hard as it was I didn't lie to anybody or try to cheat the cashier when paying for my groceries. The hardest one was not passing judgement at the horrible way everybody except me is conducting their lives.

Since I had to cook for myself I skipped gluttony too, fixed some things around the house to avoid laziness and resisted the urge of kicking our dog. For the rest of the day I managed not to kill or rob anybody.

Today I plan to up my game and do some good things for others, forcibly if I have to.

I'll keep this up for another day or two and I hope God shows himself to me, otherwise when my family comes home I'll just have to go back to swearing at the kids, beating the wife and the rest of my ususal daily activities: drinking, whoring and running old ladies over with my car.

But that's not the question!

You may have presented it before, but present it again.

Lay out the evidence that everything was created in its present form 6000 years ago, and that the Flintstones is an accurate depiction of the preflood world in which humans and dinosaurs hobnobbed.

Worry about saving the souls of Dent, Bicycle, et al, later.

He had a stab at using thermodynamics and entropy to disprove evolution in another thread, but all he demonstrated was his lack of understanding of those scientific concepts and how they cannot be applied to "disprove" evolution. He has come up with zero empirical evidence supporting creationism and zero empirical evidence disproving evolution. He has a hard task ahead of him because there is a mountain of empirical evidence supporting evolution. These creationists seem to think that evolution is still some vague theory with nothing to support it; they are seemingly clueless of the vast amount we now know about evolution and its mechanisms. Our knowledge of evolution grows every day, especially now we are analysing the genomes of more and more plants and animals (including humans or course) in unprecedented detail, showing their and our ancestry over millions of years. Creationism today is as ridiculous as trying to claim the earth is flat or that the sun revolves around the earth... and yet, creationists still exist by putting their faith ahead of the facts and bury their head in the sand and refuse to learn the reality of evolution.

Oh and by the way, there is no empirical evidence that souls exist and very strong empirical evidence that every aspect of our being, personality, memories and behaviour is 100% down to the bioelectrical processes within the physical brain. When that brain dies, so do we. It is the end, whether people find that prospect comforting or view it with horror. So hooday is wasting his time trying to save my or anyone else's soul. Souls have no more reality than pink unicorns, flying elephants or his god.

Thank You, the laughing emoticons are are good representation of the emotional experience I had reading you post. Enjoy the peace and quite

^ It gave me a good chuckle too.

Yet he stated that geocentricism although unlikely has not yet been fully disproven. When I saw this and the attempted use of entropy (By the way Hooday amongst other things like meteorites the answer to entropy lies in that big yellow blob in the sky ) as well as first law of thermodynamics I could not get my head around the stupidity and had to ignore it.

Like I said earlier I would much rather be debating this with Keet, at least he brings up stuff that on occasion that requires a quick internet search to debunk, all we need for this guy is year 9 physics.