Zionism is no different than Nazism

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Geez. I don't know how to react to that level of fanatical ignorance!

^Not much you can do but leave the scene or be asked to leave. Never had anyone tell me to get the hell off their property before.

That's the real Zionism:




I've been seeing lately this image being circulated by isrealis and Jews (particularly American jews) on FB (and that's quite weird, despite the Jesus quote there) and hardcore Christians ; and I've been seeing lately comments on jpost like this:

Their radicals still want all exterminate all 'Canaanites' and take their lands to this day, even Evangelical Christians and Jehovah' witnesses and other hardcore Christians are promoting lately the "divine" blood moons "signs" on the social media; as a prophecy sign for Israel to rule supreme.


Tell you what David-followers if that what you are scheming in the distant future: Levanon ,once again, will be a bloody great graveyard for your incoming soldiers and you'll be seeing Ba'als in your nightmares.

I have absolutely no doubt that there is a lunatic fringe among American and Israeli Jews, and their American evangelical supporters, who want such a thing. But are there seriously any of them in the current Israeli government who are in a position to accomplish it?

Judaism/Torah was always the main drive for Jewish nationalism and Israel; on what basis Israel was founded in the first place? Hm? Who made Israel? Weren't the bible-driven (and world-recognized terrorists) militias; who became later the core of their army?

Their leaders today might appear to you civilized, modern, and secular; but they are deep-down culturally Zionist and no matter what they make of themselves as "victims trying to survive" or at least that what they want to make their secular/non-jewish citizens and West believe, the bigger expansionist plan is still there in the Israel's psych, in their Bible, in their core belief, their eternal motif, wolves in sheep's clothing; ha, now that turned biblical again.

It's also seem that soon rather than later is a perfect timing for Israel to start with this: The Blood moons on awaited biblical dates happened, their faith spirits are very high, Arab countries are in their own troubles, Hezbollah is drowning in its own s**t, Hamas are alone, Obama is overall weak in the ME, attempting to befriend Iran and ruining the historical Saudi/Gulf-US close relationships in the process, leading to the rise of ISIS in Iraq to counter Iranian powers, ISIS finally turning rogue and founding a state on religion basis like how Israel was founded (which more validates Israel's cause), the Kurds are stronger than ever and have their own (rightful) cause and would be more than happy to side with Israel, all elements are perfect for Israel!

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1. By definition, genocide is an attempt to annihilate an entire ethnic group.

2. The Palestinians have a birthrate higher than the Israelis and there population continue to increase.

3. Therefore, there is no attempt to annihilate the Palestinians because their population is increasing.

4 Therefore, there is no genocide and whatever is happening does not fit the definition of genocide.

It will never happen. I don't think that there's capability or a plan to do it either. At least not in the current Israeli government.

And who is going to stop them? Obama? The american Evangelical Christians? :loL:
Egypt which is going a harsh transitional period? Libya which is in tribal civil war? Assad?:lol: Hezbollah? The military-weak Gulf? The ISIS-infected Iraq?

Nobody needs to stop them because Israel does not seek to do it. At most they are only defending themselves from rocket attacks by Hamas who actually have it stated in their charter that destroying Israel is one of their main goals. Occupation in the West Bank and Gaza are about disputed territory, not about conquering a country where the borders are already agreed upon. If I'm wrong, then we'll talk again when Israel starts taking over those other countries.

American liberal that I am, I'm not comfortable with demonizing a whole group of people - Jews, Arabs, or anyone else. Saying that Jews are motivated to do terrible things by their holy book is no different from saying how Muslims as motivated to do the same by theirs.

^ I am demonizing Zionist Jews; and any high figure in Israel must adopt Zionist principles. Ok, fixed my post. Notice that I said "their radicals", "what they want to make their secular believe"...

The real problem with situation is too many outside voices, too much reliance on the international community, not enough of the two parties owning the problem.

This is part of the problem not the solution. I mean John Kerry's hair-brained peace initiative, the conflict we have now, that was the catalyst. Never, ever bring to parties to he table with no incentive. Incentive is rule one. Mr Abbas, and Mr Netanyahu the last thing they wanted to do was come to the table, after all the built their whole careers on their entrenched positions. They knew they had to kill this and they were willing to go to disastrous lengths tot do that. This was Kerry's ego trip.

I have said for some time, and the more situation continues the more I believe the is the only way forward:

1. Envoys and mediators are facilitating this conflict, they need to be all removed every single country, every single one.
2. If the international community agree on anything it should agree not to comment or respond to either the Israeli or Palestinian statesmen when they point fingers. The only thing they should receive officially is a wall of silence.
3. They should be told in no uncertain terms that every day that goes by that they are not meeting and striving to end this, they will both be sanctioned, and sanctions ramped up.
4. These should also apply by deliberate strategies to stall, such as unrealistic steps, and other such nonsense.
5. Also the sanction won't initialy be aimed at the general public, if necessary slow pressure should be applied as the public are the ones that can make or break their elected politicians.
6. Also no other state should talk of end game be it two state, three state, one or zero. That is only for the two parties. The UN documents that aren't worth the paper they are written should be voided.
7. The UN should not be involved at all until after resolution, and only if the the solution requires it.

That is what I call incentive.

BTW In South Africa, the reason why apartheid ended (which I make no direct parallel, except two parties were in direct conflict), is the activism in South Africa and the exiled activists started to make waves, so that Europe noticed. Then America which was coming out of it own civil rights era, began to learn about it (which they were pretty ignorant about). It was American sanctions among others that began to put pressure on the South African government, and triggered the transition in to modern South Africa.

I know this becuase I was born in SA, and my father was British diplomat there in the 80s, and his job was particularly related to black an protest politics.

Crucially the Americans put pressure through sanctions, but what they didn't do thankfully, was try to micromanage the negotiations, although the venue for the initial talks started in the UK, they were done in a more direct way, and with less interference than in this Israeli/Palestinian issue.

I find it amusing that we have a thread which invokes Godwins Law in its title. Teh OP has a very naive concept, one ideology was totalitarian fascism which had as an adjunct the deliberate and industrial annihilation of an entire culture, the other is an ideology that a particular culture has a religous right to a small piece of land and that the existing inhabitants of this land must either live with them or leave. The effect upon Palestine and its people by Zionism is a disgrace, so is the support Israel has had from the West in its bloody minded and violent subjugation of all opposition to its land grab, but to equate this to a totalitarian ideology which I would characterise as the complete and utter defeat of the Working Class, is simply naive and ill thought out.

In the 70s, 80s and even 90s the chance or running into a true adherent to Zionism was slimmer. Zionism is used an a general label but it is actual quite a specific thing. As Hamas has gained popularity, you would expect that Zionism would come back, especially the "ultra" brand of it.

Quite frankly it is still a minority, but a significant one, and it will grow so long as there is extremism also on the other side.

The Palestinian movement used to me more mixed, but that has gone too. Arguably at a faster rate. It is pretty much just a Muslim movement now.

I don't agree with settlements. However where would you rather live Gaza or West Bank? The answer is obvious.

The Palestinian's aren't all whiter then white. They have dug them selves a pretty big hole and they need to take some responsibility.

Just becuase there is real suffering don't mean there isn't a self perpetuating aspect to it. Victim-hood is taught through the generations. What you are looking at is literally mass neurosis, much the same an individual neurosis, and the treatment is much the same too.

Someone who truly wants to be free they reject victim-hood no matter what they come up against. They don't wallow in it.

I ask you as a former Muslim what do you think the priorities are in the Muslim world right now?

In the 13 centuries since the battle of Karbula sectarian conflict among Muslim has barely ceased for a moment. The paranoia, the mutual hatred, it is endemic in the middle east an central Asia. How many people do you think have been displaced, killed or maimed over these centuries becuase o this? Compare to the Israeli/Palestinian situation of one century, you would have to use a logarithmic scale to even have them on the same chart the difference is so vast. Palestinian population was small in the 60s, and it is bigger now but comparatively small, including the displaced compared to other conflict. The Muslim world hasn't exactly helped, and like I said the internal sectarian conflicts cause much more harm. This is regardless of what you think of the Israelis, it is down to numbers. The Muslim world needs to get their own house in order before lecturing others.

Palestine was a British creation after WWI, part of trans-Jordan. I respect they want to to self determine, that is fine, but if the is was really just about territory, and displacement that would be one thing, but as a former Muslim you know it is not that simple. It is also about the keys to the holy land, and being the righteous party, and simply not tolerating the other faiths becuase in the Koran it says they are corrupted and inferior. Sure there is no compulsion "in religion" for people of the book as the saying goes, but as an atheist there certainly is.

Please read up on what Zionism actually is. It's not some kind of Jewish version of the Jihad. Articles on neo-nazi and Ku Klux Klan websites are very similar to articles written by left-wingers who are completely indifferent about violence in every country except Israel. The "merely antizionist" excuse is getting dated.

Do they buy old lab coats for those outfits?Hope they get some the CDC let loose that have anthrax on them.