Is it okay to want to be liberal?

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You do know that you don't have to choose between "conservative" theocracy and "liberal" collectivism?

Better to be a collectivist that a sociopath.

The two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, given their ability to charm and persuade others to follow them, and their utter disregard for the millions of lives they destroyed, it is likely that many historical collectivist leaders such as Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Mao, could be diagnosed as sociopaths.

Forget some of the emotional gymnastics in the past 1 1/2 page. You are what you are. Take your current values and compare them with liberal vs. conservaive values and simply go with your findings. I'm a conservaive but I'd rather see someone come up with their own rational and go with that then be a mere mindless puppet for one side or the other. Of course, you can also be a libertarian which may be your best bet..........or maybe not.
My parents were democrats so let's just call a pigs ass pork and call them liberals. I did not set out to be a conservative (or republican) but found fault with many of the typical liberal values and turned away from them starting in my early teens. I didn't really care about politics but just didnt hold with certain values so I guess you could say that was the genesis of my current conservative stand. My parents were all butthurt about it but eventually made peace with it or at least shut up about it knowing it was futile.
Anyhoo, do what you think is best for YOU.

Imo, the OP should avoid the U.S liberal/ conservative dichotomy, as it is designed to confuse and mislead.

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In America ...

Democrats are the conservatives who seek to conserve the welfare,"big" government, over spending
Republicans with their liberal talk of wanting shrinking government and less spending

Right wing conservatives are collectivists too: patriotism/nationalism is collectivist. Anything to do with the military is collectivist. Having the government enforce laws against drug use is collectivist.

"No big government"- the slogan of arch capitalists who want the freedom to steamroll over the public good, without government interference.

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he got 51.1% in 2012 hardly a majority and go back to 2008 52.9% he didn't run on obama car or gun control he ran on fixing the economy which hasn't been his main focus.

he was elected with slightly over half of the voting population. or which was only 58% and 61% of turn out. so he got slightly half the vote of just over half the population. yep he has support of 75% or more of the US

in both cases almost half the turn out voted against him so almost half the nation disagrees with him. the nation is more split then it agrees on anything. how about he gets back to focusing on the economy instead of gun control and health care. like lets deal with the fact that with obama care a lot of companies will only work people 29 hours a week to avoid having to fall under it. mean while food prices and gas prices rise. more and more people are having to get on food stamps to survive.

but nop gun control, health care, fundraisers, elections, and immigration are the things important to him. all things he didn't run on. in fact he flat out said he wasn't going touch guns, but he also say you could keep your insurance plan if you wanted.

I am not a tea party supporter or a conservative. i am a democrat middle grounds. if it takes those groups resisting him to prevent him doing things a lot of Americans don't want then so be it. also resisting the things he tries to do isn't conspiring against him. and from day one he has done nothing to work with them either. its a lack of effort on both sides. obama wants what he wants and won't compromise or give in to anything the right wants. while this might be good for politics on both sides all it does is divide our population even more. and so died his talks of bringing us closer.

as for being a liberal. its ok I geuss. I tend to disagree with progressives who say they are liberals.

now spouting your liberal ideas to your Conservative?? parents. probably not good idea unless you enjoy fights.

middle ground person here from a leftist family.

causes arguments when I talk about stuff I feel strongly about. news sets off and I get passionate or worried. if only I could return to the days I didn't care about politics. I think once the can is opened it can't be sealed though. it was the attacks on my personal rights that opened it though.

I agree the news is pretty horrible they only every talk about bad things. Bad things means more ratings which means more money. so they will seek out the most horrible bad news they can find the planet over. the news of the past where it was factual and researched. where they waited to tell the story when the info was out. where they would talk about good happy events like panda babies is gone. at least on a national level. my local area news is slightly more about happy things then bad things.

To be fair, this focus is mostly in response to the issues forced by the Republican controlled House and Republican controlled state legislative bodies. The ACA passed years ago, and if the Republican party hadn't invested the vast majority of their time and effort into eliminating it (symbolically) or hampering it (which has just hurt their own constituents more than anyone else) and blasting Obma for immigration and gun control, maybe something could actually have happened. To be honest with you,
Obama is one of the most conservative Democrats in DC politics these days. He really was only a shade different from Romney on the political spectrum before Romney made the huge jump to the right move for the presidential campaign.

And as for the economy, it continues to improve. Granted the current improvements cannot be sustained without addressing the current acceleration in siphoning off the majority of the wealth of most individual Americans. A consumer based economy cannot survive without consumers who have disposable income.

http://www.pewinternet.org/2012/03/12/main-findings-10/

My mom had been raised in a very conservative family, but she ended up a liberal Democrat, and made her opinions known at home. As she was her parent's child, they were hardly going to abandon her because of who she chose to vote for. I would imagine if the OP reveals his true political leanings to his parents, their love will come first.