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08 Aug 2014, 8:55 pm

It's pretty clear that the message here is that even though CNN and MSNBC can be a little kooky, at least they aren't conservaive (like Fox) who are evil and hard-hearted.
Honestly, I don't think I could effectively rip into the subliminal messaging :roll: assertion without being uncivil so I won't....


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08 Aug 2014, 10:38 pm

Awhile back, my family and I had stopped at a b-b-q place that had just opened up, and wouldn't you know it, Fox was being played on the TV. I asked one of the servers if the channel could be changed, but he told me the channel was always on Fox. I remember the owner/manager glaring at me for my whole meal. The business didn't last. Gee, I wonder why? :P


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08 Aug 2014, 11:17 pm

Hasn't this exact conversation already been had here several times, right down to the FOX-spiracy theories and BBQ joint anecdotes?


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09 Aug 2014, 12:20 am

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Hasn't this exact conversation already been had here several times, right down to the FOX-spiracy theories and BBQ joint anecdotes?


Has anyone else had the same bad experience than me at a b-b-q joint?


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09 Aug 2014, 1:29 am

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turn off cnn and msbn too tired of seeing their indoctrination biased news.



I have never been in a public establishment that plays MSNBC 24/7 to unaware consumers. I have never been to a public establishment that plays MSNBC, period. I don't think it is the agenda of the parent company of MSNBC to spread a particular political message. Much of what MSNBC covers is actually detrimental to the parent company, and the show hosts acknowledge this fact. MSNBC is not a propaganda arm of GE, it is merely an investment.


Oh, they put it on standard at my university gym on one of the screens. I had enough one day and went and asked the kid at the desk to turn it to something more neutral. Kid, imagination-free, said, "like...what?" So I said C-SPAN, PBS, CNN, etc. Problem fixed.



Are you sure the staff puts it on at the gym? Most gyms I have gone to let the members select the channels. Maybe a member put it on prior to your arrival. Every gym I have used, the remotes are all over the place for anyone to pick up and use. Even in a Dr office the patients usually control the tv, but not at McDonalds, which is my primary issue. I believe it is a management decision, and I believe it has been dictated. I would venture to say that a larger percentage of McDonalds run Fox News on their tvs than any other business in America and I have no doubt corporate office has influence on that policy.


Yes, staff control the TVs there. No remotes. Most gyms actually don't do communal media at all anymore, it's built into the machines or people have brought their own.

I don't go to McD's, wouldn't know. Just about every business I've ever been in will kill or change the ambient media if you ask nicely, though. Except buses and planes, which is part of why I do less public transit than I used to. They don't show news, though.



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09 Aug 2014, 6:51 am

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Awhile back, my family and I had stopped at a b-b-q place that had just opened up, and wouldn't you know it, Fox was being played on the TV. I asked one of the servers if the channel could be changed, but he told me the channel was always on Fox. I remember the owner/manager glaring at me for my whole meal. The business didn't last. Gee, I wonder why? :P

If their business went tits up it wasn't because of what news source they had on the TV.

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Has anyone else had the same bad experience than me at a b-b-q joint?
The two BBQ places I use here in Dogpatch don't have a TV in the dining area. Either way I wouldn't care since I don't go out to eat with any desire or expectation of watching the news during that time. If it was on I doubt I'd pay any mind to it. I don't know why anyone would want the news while they are trying to eat since most of it is depressing or angering.


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09 Aug 2014, 8:09 am

The real Dogpatch is in my county,used to be called Marble Falls,but they changed the name because of the amusement park.Its been closed for years,sold to a gaming company :? Then they lost it because a lawsuit where a trespasser nearly got beheaded by a cable across the road.He hauled ass on a four wheeler and didn't see the cable across the road.Ouch.


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09 Aug 2014, 8:22 am

Gotta love it when a trespasser can sue over what could be considered self inflicted injuries whilst committing a crime. Self inflicted in that if he hadn't been operating an ATV on a road on a NO TRESPASSING posted peice of land he wouldnt have gotten clotheslined by the cable across the road, meant to keep people OUT.


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09 Aug 2014, 8:49 am

I've worked at places where Murdoch papers were the primary morning and lunch time reading material. These were people of modest means, and they all voted against their own interests. They were Newscorp's captive audience. In many states, Newscorp puts out the only state daily newspaper, and many stores don't stock anything else. It's becoming a serious problem, with the Murdoch press injecting fascism into a population that is already known for its anti intellectualism, and political apathy.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2FSMvrlUlY[/youtube]



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09 Aug 2014, 8:54 am

I read a news article where a peeping tom fell thru a lady's sky light while peeping and then sued and won because the sky light was faulty.Go figure.
It's a shame the old park is closed,it gave summer jobs to all the local kids and income for the county.Silver Dollar City in Branson offered stiff competition and was most likely one of the reasons it began to fail.
A friend got stuck on the water slide at Dogpatch,it was funny as hell.He was a big ol' boy and his trunks got hung up on something halfway down the slide and he was stuck,yelling,cussing, and flopping like a fish.People on the ground laughing and pointing.He sure was embarrassed. :D
There was a little train that ran around the park and there was a trestle bridge it went over,pretty high up.We had taken some California transplants with us and they were horrified by the lack of safety on the train,no seat belts or doors,said no way would you see something like this in California.They worried a kid would flop out while on the trestle and fall to its doom,to my knowledge none ever did.I thought it was kind of funny to hear them yammer about the dangers.The swinging bridge was fun,my ex liked to wait till it was full of tourists walking across and then he'd rock it and get it going good,it was mean and sort of funny at the same time.


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09 Aug 2014, 11:07 am

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I read a news article where a peeping tom fell thru a lady's sky light while peeping and then sued and won because the sky light was faulty.Go figure.
It's a shame the old park is closed,it gave summer jobs to all the local kids and income for the county.Silver Dollar City in Branson offered stiff competition and was most likely one of the reasons it began to fail.
A friend got stuck on the water slide at Dogpatch,it was funny as hell.He was a big ol' boy and his trunks got hung up on something halfway down the slide and he was stuck,yelling,cussing, and flopping like a fish.People on the ground laughing and pointing.He sure was embarrassed. :D
There was a little train that ran around the park and there was a trestle bridge it went over,pretty high up.We had taken some California transplants with us and they were horrified by the lack of safety on the train,no seat belts or doors,said no way would you see something like this in California.They worried a kid would flop out while on the trestle and fall to its doom,to my knowledge none ever did.I thought it was kind of funny to hear them yammer about the dangers.The swinging bridge was fun,my ex liked to wait till it was full of tourists walking across and then he'd rock it and get it going good,it was mean and sort of funny at the same time.


In Japan they have multi-level autoload driving ranges for golfers, with obviously no barrier on the upper levels. I don't know if such things exist in the US but I have always thought that it would be a lawsuit in waiting here. I think in the US there are people who will, and do, fall off of things like this intentionally, for financial gain, without thought to the consequences to their body or life.



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09 Aug 2014, 11:10 am

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I've worked at places where Murdoch papers were the primary morning and lunch time reading material. These were people of modest means, and they all voted against their own interests. They were Newscorp's captive audience. In many states, Newscorp puts out the only state daily newspaper, and many stores don't stock anything else. It's becoming a serious problem, with the Murdoch press injecting fascism into a population that is already known for its anti intellectualism, and political apathy.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2FSMvrlUlY[/youtube]



Exactly, this organization caters to, and targets, the low information, low intelligence, low awareness segment of society.



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09 Aug 2014, 11:46 am

The whole concept of "media bias" is funny. These are listed companies they are going to pick their audience, and they are trying to turn a profit for the most part. Of course they may have a bias, it is commercial purgative. But why complain? Fill the demand, if it is there.

However people who believe the FOX and Murdoch's views are one and the same don't really know him very well.

Remember he was operating the the UK in the 60s long before he entered the US market.

Murdoch is an unabashed globalist, this is very different from the average FOX pundit. To him nations mean something very different than they do to American nationalists. He isn't a trade illiberal/libertarian like me, but his form of globalism involves collusion, sugaring up the political elite in the various counties that, the operates in. Kind of the relationships the Mussolini wanted.

Murchoch doesn't care about the political inclination of his publications and broadcasters. He has owned left wing, centrist. apolitical and right wing media. It is about whether he can make a profit.



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09 Aug 2014, 2:36 pm

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Awhile back, my family and I had stopped at a b-b-q place that had just opened up, and wouldn't you know it, Fox was being played on the TV. I asked one of the servers if the channel could be changed, but he told me the channel was always on Fox. I remember the owner/manager glaring at me for my whole meal. The business didn't last. Gee, I wonder why? :P

If their business went tits up it wasn't because of what news source they had on the TV.

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Has anyone else had the same bad experience than me at a b-b-q joint?
The two BBQ places I use here in Dogpatch don't have a TV in the dining area. Either way I wouldn't care since I don't go out to eat with any desire or expectation of watching the news during that time. If it was on I doubt I'd pay any mind to it. I don't know why anyone would want the news while they are trying to eat since most of it is depressing or angering.


Actually, I agree, the last thing you want to hear while having a pleasant meal is the depressing news in the background - - or worse, right wing propaganda blaring. That's why I had asked if they could change the channel to anything. I would even have been happier with the Home Shopping Network!


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09 Aug 2014, 4:16 pm

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Awhile back, my family and I had stopped at a b-b-q place that had just opened up, and wouldn't you know it, Fox was being played on the TV. I asked one of the servers if the channel could be changed, but he told me the channel was always on Fox. I remember the owner/manager glaring at me for my whole meal. The business didn't last. Gee, I wonder why? :P

If their business went tits up it wasn't because of what news source they had on the TV.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Has anyone else had the same bad experience than me at a b-b-q joint?
The two BBQ places I use here in Dogpatch don't have a TV in the dining area. Either way I wouldn't care since I don't go out to eat with any desire or expectation of watching the news during that time. If it was on I doubt I'd pay any mind to it. I don't know why anyone would want the news while they are trying to eat since most of it is depressing or angering.


Actually, I agree, the last thing you want to hear while having a pleasant meal is the depressing news in the background - - or worse, right wing propaganda blaring. That's why I had asked if they could change the channel to anything. I would even have been happier with the Home Shopping Network!


Yeah, the last thing you want to hear while having a pleasant meal is the depressing news in the background - - or worse, left wing propaganda blaring.

Would you rather have Fox News or Duck Dynasty? How about Fox News or here comes honey boo boo?


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10 Aug 2014, 3:55 am

Hi Raptor, you and Kraichgauer should get together sometime for a bbq if you can agree on a suitably neutral background channel... I've been thinking it would be be great if you two had a get together IRL and could avoid all references to political issues! :lol:

I enjoy reading posts from both of you. Luckily I'm not from the US so I know nothing about Fox in any case.