I'm wondering if Republicans actually know better?
01 Nov 2014, 1:23 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I suspect Joe Barton is smarter than he lets on, he's pretty connected to the oil industry and his constituents in Texas are all about God and oil so he's playing to his audience.
As for the 10th Amendment, it says basically that powers not explicitly granted in the constitution to the federal government do not exist and that they are reserved for the states and the people. Is every EPA regulation explicitly authorized in the constitution? Is mandating health insurance in the constitution? Saying that intrusion into our personal lives happened "mostly under GWB" is pretty silly and just straight up untrue when Obama has doubled down on every Bush era policy and expanded them and started many of his own, Obama is Bush+ and there is literally no difference between the two. Now I'll give you most republicans are just partisan hacks but so are democrats, most of Bush's biggest critics are now Obama's biggest cheerleaders and the anti-war left is nowhere to be found. Infringing on our businesses and bank accounts, what's hard to understand about that? We're overregulated, overtaxed, and overspent.
also FWIW, not a Republican
As for the 10th Amendment, it says basically that powers not explicitly granted in the constitution to the federal government do not exist and that they are reserved for the states and the people. Is every EPA regulation explicitly authorized in the constitution? Is mandating health insurance in the constitution? Saying that intrusion into our personal lives happened "mostly under GWB" is pretty silly and just straight up untrue when Obama has doubled down on every Bush era policy and expanded them and started many of his own, Obama is Bush+ and there is literally no difference between the two. Now I'll give you most republicans are just partisan hacks but so are democrats, most of Bush's biggest critics are now Obama's biggest cheerleaders and the anti-war left is nowhere to be found. Infringing on our businesses and bank accounts, what's hard to understand about that? We're overregulated, overtaxed, and overspent.
also FWIW, not a Republican
But those things aren't disallowed, either.
they're reserved to the states and the people
What if the people want those things at the federal level?
you amend the constitution
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01 Nov 2014, 2:00 am
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I suspect Joe Barton is smarter than he lets on, he's pretty connected to the oil industry and his constituents in Texas are all about God and oil so he's playing to his audience.
As for the 10th Amendment, it says basically that powers not explicitly granted in the constitution to the federal government do not exist and that they are reserved for the states and the people. Is every EPA regulation explicitly authorized in the constitution? Is mandating health insurance in the constitution? Saying that intrusion into our personal lives happened "mostly under GWB" is pretty silly and just straight up untrue when Obama has doubled down on every Bush era policy and expanded them and started many of his own, Obama is Bush+ and there is literally no difference between the two. Now I'll give you most republicans are just partisan hacks but so are democrats, most of Bush's biggest critics are now Obama's biggest cheerleaders and the anti-war left is nowhere to be found. Infringing on our businesses and bank accounts, what's hard to understand about that? We're overregulated, overtaxed, and overspent.
also FWIW, not a Republican
As for the 10th Amendment, it says basically that powers not explicitly granted in the constitution to the federal government do not exist and that they are reserved for the states and the people. Is every EPA regulation explicitly authorized in the constitution? Is mandating health insurance in the constitution? Saying that intrusion into our personal lives happened "mostly under GWB" is pretty silly and just straight up untrue when Obama has doubled down on every Bush era policy and expanded them and started many of his own, Obama is Bush+ and there is literally no difference between the two. Now I'll give you most republicans are just partisan hacks but so are democrats, most of Bush's biggest critics are now Obama's biggest cheerleaders and the anti-war left is nowhere to be found. Infringing on our businesses and bank accounts, what's hard to understand about that? We're overregulated, overtaxed, and overspent.
also FWIW, not a Republican
But those things aren't disallowed, either.
they're reserved to the states and the people
What if the people want those things at the federal level?
you amend the constitution
The founders knew what the had created wasn't written in stone, and that it had to change with the times. In the case of the constitution, political conservatives are acting like religious conservatives - very likely because political and religious conservatives tend to be one in the same.
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01 Nov 2014, 2:33 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I suspect Joe Barton is smarter than he lets on, he's pretty connected to the oil industry and his constituents in Texas are all about God and oil so he's playing to his audience.
As for the 10th Amendment, it says basically that powers not explicitly granted in the constitution to the federal government do not exist and that they are reserved for the states and the people. Is every EPA regulation explicitly authorized in the constitution? Is mandating health insurance in the constitution? Saying that intrusion into our personal lives happened "mostly under GWB" is pretty silly and just straight up untrue when Obama has doubled down on every Bush era policy and expanded them and started many of his own, Obama is Bush+ and there is literally no difference between the two. Now I'll give you most republicans are just partisan hacks but so are democrats, most of Bush's biggest critics are now Obama's biggest cheerleaders and the anti-war left is nowhere to be found. Infringing on our businesses and bank accounts, what's hard to understand about that? We're overregulated, overtaxed, and overspent.
also FWIW, not a Republican
As for the 10th Amendment, it says basically that powers not explicitly granted in the constitution to the federal government do not exist and that they are reserved for the states and the people. Is every EPA regulation explicitly authorized in the constitution? Is mandating health insurance in the constitution? Saying that intrusion into our personal lives happened "mostly under GWB" is pretty silly and just straight up untrue when Obama has doubled down on every Bush era policy and expanded them and started many of his own, Obama is Bush+ and there is literally no difference between the two. Now I'll give you most republicans are just partisan hacks but so are democrats, most of Bush's biggest critics are now Obama's biggest cheerleaders and the anti-war left is nowhere to be found. Infringing on our businesses and bank accounts, what's hard to understand about that? We're overregulated, overtaxed, and overspent.
also FWIW, not a Republican
But those things aren't disallowed, either.
they're reserved to the states and the people
What if the people want those things at the federal level?
you amend the constitution
The founders knew what the had created wasn't written in stone, and that it had to change with the times. In the case of the constitution, political conservatives are acting like religious conservatives - very likely because political and religious conservatives tend to be one in the same.
It's not written in stone, Article Five of the US Constitution explains the process as to how it is changed. A constitution that can reinterpreted by whoever is in power isn't worth the paper it is written on.
01 Nov 2014, 8:59 pm
khaoz wrote:
Raptor wrote:
khaoz wrote:
Raptor wrote:
khaoz wrote:
Conservative politicians know better, they just don't care. Conservative voters do not know better.
The only thing any politician cares about is getting elected or re-elected. Any benefit the constituents get is only incidental.
And on the right we say that liberal voters don't know any better.
Yet it is the people of Conservative owned states who are suffering the most under Conservative policies, yet are still ignorant enough to reelect the officials who are destroying their lives. Thank you gerrymandering. The poorest states, the states with the least number of insured, the states with the lowest wages and most oppression, pretty overwhelmingly Conservative, other than maybe the states with the lowest populations, which are mostly Conservative because they migrate to be around only those who agree with them because they are incapable of living side by side with anyone who is not in lock step with them. Thank you low information voters.
The only information most democrat voters want is to know is how much more free stuff are they going to get.
Conservative propaganda talking points memos #1 ^^^^^^^Nothing is free. The money spent helping poor people would be unnecessary if employers would pay a living wage, and stop try to destroy the middle class by attacking unions, which CREATED the middle class .Not everyone can own their own business, because not everyone can get rich just by asking daddy for money. I think employers like taking the tax credit for hiring people at such a low wage that they have to seek government assistance. Pay a decent wage to Americans and they will work for it. I know Conservatives and others have plenty of arguments against paying people a decent wage, most of those arguments made because the people making the argument are status slaves and want to maintain the delusion that having things and money put them in the aristocracy class. They don't want others in that class because that destroys the illusion that they are better than other people based on possessions and image. Conservatives must always find a reason to look down their snouts on other human beings.
Anything the government would do so ensue a living wage would, in effect, create more poor people.
1. It would f**k small upstart business since they couldn't afford to hire anyone.
2. Big companies would find ways around it like making employees part time instead of full time. Remember, they have the money for the better legal council.
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Opps, my mistake. The number 1 Conservative talking point is "it's Obamas fault", but that has been number 1 since January of 2009. The taker mantra is talking point number 2. Yes, all politicians have talking points, but Conservative talking points do not even originaate with Conservative politicians.
Then we are mimicking liberals attitude toward Bush since they blamed everything on his administration. Of course they also went as far as comparing it to the Sith or Third Reich.
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They get their talking points from Rush and Fox views. Oh, and from bloggers.
If I want to know what Fox or Limbaugh are up to I only have to listen to the liberals.
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01 Nov 2014, 10:49 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
khaoz wrote:
Raptor wrote:
khaoz wrote:
Conservative politicians know better, they just don't care. Conservative voters do not know better.
The only thing any politician cares about is getting elected or re-elected. Any benefit the constituents get is only incidental.
And on the right we say that liberal voters don't know any better.
Yet it is the people of Conservative owned states who are suffering the most under Conservative policies, yet are still ignorant enough to reelect the officials who are destroying their lives. Thank you gerrymandering. The poorest states, the states with the least number of insured, the states with the lowest wages and most oppression, pretty overwhelmingly Conservative, other than maybe the states with the lowest populations, which are mostly Conservative because they migrate to be around only those who agree with them because they are incapable of living side by side with anyone who is not in lock step with them. Thank you low information voters.
The only information most democrat voters want is to know is how much more free stuff are they going to get.
What's wrong with getting things that make one's life better?
When that's the only real reason someone votes democrat with all that BS about civil rights and the environment just being whitewash for the underlying reason: More free stuff.
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In contrast to Republicans who don't do anything for you, or worse, make things worse for you while benefiting those who don't need benefiting.
Wonder why it is that I always see conservatives on the average donating more money and time than liberals, then.....
More free stuff for looking out for the environment? That doesn't make any sense. And the charge that civil rights is just about getting free stuff is what the racist wing of the conservative movement have promoted. And no, I'm not calling you a racist; I'm saying you're repeating the bullsh*t promoted by racists that has been accepted in the mainstream conservative movement.
And as far as conservatives giving more than liberals - that reminds me of Jesus' parable of the poor woman who had given the only coin she had as an offering at the temple, while the rich made big show of all the riches they gave, But in the end, the poor woman had given all he had, unlike the rich, and so had in fact given more.
But many of them don't give. So they aren't the poor woman. The poor woman wasn't asking for anything, she was trusting with everything.
That and I think we've all heard Jesse Jackson say "I haven't cashed a check yet". In fact that's what he said at Dr. King's memorial along with the rest of the speakers whom King's family actually felt insulted by. If it wasn't about free handouts then maybe they would have let one of King's own family members speak, but that wasn't the case. No I would have to say that the civil rights movement really is a free stuff movement, considering what Sharpton and Jackson get payed millions every year to say. And that is really sad. Just take it from guys who were part of the civil rights movement in the 60's, like Bill Cosby.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01025.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby
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Cosby again came under sharp criticism and was again largely unapologetic for his stance when he made similar remarks during a speech in a July 1 meeting commemorating the anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education. During that speech, he admonished apathetic blacks for not assisting or concerning themselves with the individuals who are involved with crime or have counter-productive aspirations. He further described those who needed attention as blacks who "had forgotten the sacrifices of those in the Civil Rights Movement."
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02 Nov 2014, 12:24 am
Lukecash12 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
khaoz wrote:
Raptor wrote:
khaoz wrote:
Conservative politicians know better, they just don't care. Conservative voters do not know better.
The only thing any politician cares about is getting elected or re-elected. Any benefit the constituents get is only incidental.
And on the right we say that liberal voters don't know any better.
Yet it is the people of Conservative owned states who are suffering the most under Conservative policies, yet are still ignorant enough to reelect the officials who are destroying their lives. Thank you gerrymandering. The poorest states, the states with the least number of insured, the states with the lowest wages and most oppression, pretty overwhelmingly Conservative, other than maybe the states with the lowest populations, which are mostly Conservative because they migrate to be around only those who agree with them because they are incapable of living side by side with anyone who is not in lock step with them. Thank you low information voters.
The only information most democrat voters want is to know is how much more free stuff are they going to get.
What's wrong with getting things that make one's life better?
When that's the only real reason someone votes democrat with all that BS about civil rights and the environment just being whitewash for the underlying reason: More free stuff.
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In contrast to Republicans who don't do anything for you, or worse, make things worse for you while benefiting those who don't need benefiting.
Wonder why it is that I always see conservatives on the average donating more money and time than liberals, then.....
More free stuff for looking out for the environment? That doesn't make any sense. And the charge that civil rights is just about getting free stuff is what the racist wing of the conservative movement have promoted. And no, I'm not calling you a racist; I'm saying you're repeating the bullsh*t promoted by racists that has been accepted in the mainstream conservative movement.
And as far as conservatives giving more than liberals - that reminds me of Jesus' parable of the poor woman who had given the only coin she had as an offering at the temple, while the rich made big show of all the riches they gave, But in the end, the poor woman had given all he had, unlike the rich, and so had in fact given more.
But many of them don't give. So they aren't the poor woman. The poor woman wasn't asking for anything, she was trusting with everything.
That and I think we've all heard Jesse Jackson say "I haven't cashed a check yet". In fact that's what he said at Dr. King's memorial along with the rest of the speakers whom King's family actually felt insulted by. If it wasn't about free handouts then maybe they would have let one of King's own family members speak, but that wasn't the case. No I would have to say that the civil rights movement really is a free stuff movement, considering what Sharpton and Jackson get payed millions every year to say. And that is really sad. Just take it from guys who were part of the civil rights movement in the 60's, like Bill Cosby.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01025.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby
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Cosby again came under sharp criticism and was again largely unapologetic for his stance when he made similar remarks during a speech in a July 1 meeting commemorating the anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education. During that speech, he admonished apathetic blacks for not assisting or concerning themselves with the individuals who are involved with crime or have counter-productive aspirations. He further described those who needed attention as blacks who "had forgotten the sacrifices of those in the Civil Rights Movement."
How do you know that poor people don't give? I'm not talking about things the rich write off on tax time, but rather giving to collection jars in stores, giving something to the panhandler, etc. It's these small gestures that ordinary people make that are done out of the good in their hearts rather than thinking about how much they'll get back on their tax return. And yes, these small, well intentioned gestures do in fact matter.
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03 Nov 2014, 11:11 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Lukecash12 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
khaoz wrote:
Raptor wrote:
khaoz wrote:
Conservative politicians know better, they just don't care. Conservative voters do not know better.
The only thing any politician cares about is getting elected or re-elected. Any benefit the constituents get is only incidental.
And on the right we say that liberal voters don't know any better.
Yet it is the people of Conservative owned states who are suffering the most under Conservative policies, yet are still ignorant enough to reelect the officials who are destroying their lives. Thank you gerrymandering. The poorest states, the states with the least number of insured, the states with the lowest wages and most oppression, pretty overwhelmingly Conservative, other than maybe the states with the lowest populations, which are mostly Conservative because they migrate to be around only those who agree with them because they are incapable of living side by side with anyone who is not in lock step with them. Thank you low information voters.
The only information most democrat voters want is to know is how much more free stuff are they going to get.
What's wrong with getting things that make one's life better?
When that's the only real reason someone votes democrat with all that BS about civil rights and the environment just being whitewash for the underlying reason: More free stuff.
Quote:
In contrast to Republicans who don't do anything for you, or worse, make things worse for you while benefiting those who don't need benefiting.
Wonder why it is that I always see conservatives on the average donating more money and time than liberals, then.....
More free stuff for looking out for the environment? That doesn't make any sense. And the charge that civil rights is just about getting free stuff is what the racist wing of the conservative movement have promoted. And no, I'm not calling you a racist; I'm saying you're repeating the bullsh*t promoted by racists that has been accepted in the mainstream conservative movement.
And as far as conservatives giving more than liberals - that reminds me of Jesus' parable of the poor woman who had given the only coin she had as an offering at the temple, while the rich made big show of all the riches they gave, But in the end, the poor woman had given all he had, unlike the rich, and so had in fact given more.
But many of them don't give. So they aren't the poor woman. The poor woman wasn't asking for anything, she was trusting with everything.
That and I think we've all heard Jesse Jackson say "I haven't cashed a check yet". In fact that's what he said at Dr. King's memorial along with the rest of the speakers whom King's family actually felt insulted by. If it wasn't about free handouts then maybe they would have let one of King's own family members speak, but that wasn't the case. No I would have to say that the civil rights movement really is a free stuff movement, considering what Sharpton and Jackson get payed millions every year to say. And that is really sad. Just take it from guys who were part of the civil rights movement in the 60's, like Bill Cosby.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01025.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby
Quote:
Cosby again came under sharp criticism and was again largely unapologetic for his stance when he made similar remarks during a speech in a July 1 meeting commemorating the anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education. During that speech, he admonished apathetic blacks for not assisting or concerning themselves with the individuals who are involved with crime or have counter-productive aspirations. He further described those who needed attention as blacks who "had forgotten the sacrifices of those in the Civil Rights Movement."
How do you know that poor people don't give? I'm not talking about things the rich write off on tax time, but rather giving to collection jars in stores, giving something to the panhandler, etc. It's these small gestures that ordinary people make that are done out of the good in their hearts rather than thinking about how much they'll get back on their tax return. And yes, these small, well intentioned gestures do in fact matter.
Of course poor people give to charity. There are a number of people in my church who are on a fixed income and they still set aside money for charity. But that wasn't what I was addressing, I think you've gotten a bit off track my friend (and sorry if I seem caustic towards you sometimes, I really don't mean to). What I was addressing was the real statistical difference between liberals and conservatives giving to charity.
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04 Nov 2014, 9:08 am
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I suspect Joe Barton is smarter than he lets on, he's pretty connected to the oil industry and his constituents in Texas are all about God and oil so he's playing to his audience.
As for the 10th Amendment, it says basically that powers not explicitly granted in the constitution to the federal government do not exist and that they are reserved for the states and the people. Is every EPA regulation explicitly authorized in the constitution? Is mandating health insurance in the constitution? Saying that intrusion into our personal lives happened "mostly under GWB" is pretty silly and just straight up untrue when Obama has doubled down on every Bush era policy and expanded them and started many of his own, Obama is Bush+ and there is literally no difference between the two. Now I'll give you most republicans are just partisan hacks but so are democrats, most of Bush's biggest critics are now Obama's biggest cheerleaders and the anti-war left is nowhere to be found. Infringing on our businesses and bank accounts, what's hard to understand about that? We're overregulated, overtaxed, and overspent.
also FWIW, not a Republican
As for the 10th Amendment, it says basically that powers not explicitly granted in the constitution to the federal government do not exist and that they are reserved for the states and the people. Is every EPA regulation explicitly authorized in the constitution? Is mandating health insurance in the constitution? Saying that intrusion into our personal lives happened "mostly under GWB" is pretty silly and just straight up untrue when Obama has doubled down on every Bush era policy and expanded them and started many of his own, Obama is Bush+ and there is literally no difference between the two. Now I'll give you most republicans are just partisan hacks but so are democrats, most of Bush's biggest critics are now Obama's biggest cheerleaders and the anti-war left is nowhere to be found. Infringing on our businesses and bank accounts, what's hard to understand about that? We're overregulated, overtaxed, and overspent.
also FWIW, not a Republican
I was not saying Obama is any better, but what I was saying is that republicans have some odd ways of " helping. " Take Joe Barton for example, I got an ad from him saying that by using Fracking will help launch the U.S. into the world's top oil production position. I've some serious problems with that considering the chemical composition from each oil company that use fracking is unknown. Most chemicals that are know are incredibly dangerous to one's health. It wastes tons of water, and if the work was sub-par which can happen since we're human. Those same chemicals could get into the water supply, which if they do most chemical plants can't treat. However Barton believes that fracking will lead an economic revolution for the U.S. That's the reason why I asked if republicans know better, because if they did realize the danger of fracking they wouldn't use it. But they still do it even though the potential danger of it is very real. Considering there are already reports of fracking contaminating water supplies in the areas where fracking was used.
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04 Nov 2014, 1:14 pm
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Jacoby wrote:
I suspect Joe Barton is smarter than he lets on, he's pretty connected to the oil industry and his constituents in Texas are all about God and oil so he's playing to his audience.
As for the 10th Amendment, it says basically that powers not explicitly granted in the constitution to the federal government do not exist and that they are reserved for the states and the people. Is every EPA regulation explicitly authorized in the constitution? Is mandating health insurance in the constitution? Saying that intrusion into our personal lives happened "mostly under GWB" is pretty silly and just straight up untrue when Obama has doubled down on every Bush era policy and expanded them and started many of his own, Obama is Bush+ and there is literally no difference between the two. Now I'll give you most republicans are just partisan hacks but so are democrats, most of Bush's biggest critics are now Obama's biggest cheerleaders and the anti-war left is nowhere to be found. Infringing on our businesses and bank accounts, what's hard to understand about that? We're overregulated, overtaxed, and overspent.
also FWIW, not a Republican
As for the 10th Amendment, it says basically that powers not explicitly granted in the constitution to the federal government do not exist and that they are reserved for the states and the people. Is every EPA regulation explicitly authorized in the constitution? Is mandating health insurance in the constitution? Saying that intrusion into our personal lives happened "mostly under GWB" is pretty silly and just straight up untrue when Obama has doubled down on every Bush era policy and expanded them and started many of his own, Obama is Bush+ and there is literally no difference between the two. Now I'll give you most republicans are just partisan hacks but so are democrats, most of Bush's biggest critics are now Obama's biggest cheerleaders and the anti-war left is nowhere to be found. Infringing on our businesses and bank accounts, what's hard to understand about that? We're overregulated, overtaxed, and overspent.
also FWIW, not a Republican
I was not saying Obama is any better, but what I was saying is that republicans have some odd ways of " helping. " Take Joe Barton for example, I got an ad from him saying that by using Fracking will help launch the U.S. into the world's top oil production position. I've some serious problems with that considering the chemical composition from each oil company that use fracking is unknown. Most chemicals that are know are incredibly dangerous to one's health. It wastes tons of water, and if the work was sub-par which can happen since we're human. Those same chemicals could get into the water supply, which if they do most chemical plants can't treat. However Barton believes that fracking will lead an economic revolution for the U.S. That's the reason why I asked if republicans know better, because if they did realize the danger of fracking they wouldn't use it. But they still do it even though the potential danger of it is very real. Considering there are already reports of fracking contaminating water supplies in the areas where fracking was used.
My mind was made up about fracking after water started catching on fire. The defenders of fracking claimed that the water in those areas always caught on fire!! !! !! !! !
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04 Nov 2014, 1:28 pm
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The only information most democrat voters want is to know is how much more free stuff are they going to get.
The only information most republican voters want is to know is how much more free stuff the ultra wealthy can take from us.
At least the poor and middle class work for a living. The ultra rich create no value and make their money by betting on our productivity. I say reward the working class (poor and middle class) and stop welfare for the rich. In other words, I believe in the work ethic. Republicans believe in the gambling ethic.
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04 Nov 2014, 1:28 pm
Raptor wrote:
The only information most democrat voters want is to know is how much more free stuff are they going to get.
The only information most republican voters want is to know is how much more free stuff the ultra wealthy can take from us.
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04 Nov 2014, 2:53 pm
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The only information most republican voters want is to know is how much more free stuff the ultra wealthy can take from us.
Is this that "calm and deadly" debate technique you keep talking about? Funny, it looks like run of the mill partisan sniping from over here.
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04 Nov 2014, 3:49 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Brainfre3ze_93 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I suspect Joe Barton is smarter than he lets on, he's pretty connected to the oil industry and his constituents in Texas are all about God and oil so he's playing to his audience.
As for the 10th Amendment, it says basically that powers not explicitly granted in the constitution to the federal government do not exist and that they are reserved for the states and the people. Is every EPA regulation explicitly authorized in the constitution? Is mandating health insurance in the constitution? Saying that intrusion into our personal lives happened "mostly under GWB" is pretty silly and just straight up untrue when Obama has doubled down on every Bush era policy and expanded them and started many of his own, Obama is Bush+ and there is literally no difference between the two. Now I'll give you most republicans are just partisan hacks but so are democrats, most of Bush's biggest critics are now Obama's biggest cheerleaders and the anti-war left is nowhere to be found. Infringing on our businesses and bank accounts, what's hard to understand about that? We're overregulated, overtaxed, and overspent.
also FWIW, not a Republican
As for the 10th Amendment, it says basically that powers not explicitly granted in the constitution to the federal government do not exist and that they are reserved for the states and the people. Is every EPA regulation explicitly authorized in the constitution? Is mandating health insurance in the constitution? Saying that intrusion into our personal lives happened "mostly under GWB" is pretty silly and just straight up untrue when Obama has doubled down on every Bush era policy and expanded them and started many of his own, Obama is Bush+ and there is literally no difference between the two. Now I'll give you most republicans are just partisan hacks but so are democrats, most of Bush's biggest critics are now Obama's biggest cheerleaders and the anti-war left is nowhere to be found. Infringing on our businesses and bank accounts, what's hard to understand about that? We're overregulated, overtaxed, and overspent.
also FWIW, not a Republican
I was not saying Obama is any better, but what I was saying is that republicans have some odd ways of " helping. " Take Joe Barton for example, I got an ad from him saying that by using Fracking will help launch the U.S. into the world's top oil production position. I've some serious problems with that considering the chemical composition from each oil company that use fracking is unknown. Most chemicals that are know are incredibly dangerous to one's health. It wastes tons of water, and if the work was sub-par which can happen since we're human. Those same chemicals could get into the water supply, which if they do most chemical plants can't treat. However Barton believes that fracking will lead an economic revolution for the U.S. That's the reason why I asked if republicans know better, because if they did realize the danger of fracking they wouldn't use it. But they still do it even though the potential danger of it is very real. Considering there are already reports of fracking contaminating water supplies in the areas where fracking was used.
My mind was made up about fracking after water started catching on fire. The defenders of fracking claimed that the water in those areas always caught on fire!! !! !! !! !
Seriously!?
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04 Nov 2014, 4:37 pm
Dox47 wrote:
wittgenstein wrote:
The only information most republican voters want is to know is how much more free stuff the ultra wealthy can take from us.
Is this that "calm and deadly" debate technique you keep talking about? Funny, it looks like run of the mill partisan sniping from over here.
I was using your sentence structure. You really did not understand what I was doing?! !
PS: Thanks for reading my thread called "profile"! ( in "WrongPlanet.net discussion , BTW, that was the only time I mentioned my "calm and deadly" debate technique, I hardly kept talking about it!) The Grosse Point Blank video now works! Watch it! Its great! Just go to my "profile" thread and click on the grosse point blank video! Enjoy!
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