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05 Nov 2014, 2:24 am
khaoz wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
But will they follow through and kill Obamacare, and stop immigration reform ? Probably not 
I voted for a Democrat, because he promised to eliminate the taxes the Republican created. However, I can feel the anger about Obamacare, because i would be super angry if my employer cut my hours/ made me a part time worker, because of Obamacare.
I voted for a Democrat, because he promised to eliminate the taxes the Republican created. However, I can feel the anger about Obamacare, because i would be super angry if my employer cut my hours/ made me a part time worker, because of Obamacare.
If your employer did that to you because of Obamacare, you should be pissed at your employer, not at Obamacare. Your employer is telling you they do not value you and your work if they do that, because their actions have nothing to do with Obamacare. They are manipulating you to make you angry at Obamacare because they are cheap.
yeah better to run into bankruptcy and close shop. you do realise that smaller companies can't afford it they aren't making millions and billions like walmart and other corporations are. Many were already walking the line and then adding thousands in medical insurance just pushes them into the deep end. so rather then fire people or close shop they cut back hours. it sucks but i'd rather work go down to 20 hours a week then go to 0 hours a week. my store has a hard time working us the hours we do now if they had to pay for our inssurance I know they'd probably let most of us go.
I am concerned the republicans might f**k with social security now and end up throwing alot of us on the street, but in all reality Obama will just veto any and everything they pass requiring them to get the 2/3 majority so meh. more worrisome is what horrible s**t the out going democrates will pass in the lame duck session.
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would you prefer the "absolute poor" just died?
So if free stuff is not provided, then that is the same as "letting someone die" ? Shouldn't we provide free cars to everyone, because someone may die from heat exhaustion? And we need free homes, because people may end up in shelters, and those may not be safe. Everything should be free, because there is always the possibility whatever is not free can cause someone to die.
you are dissembling. it is a yes or no question- DO YOU PREFER the uninsured poor just die? or are you willing to abide by some public accommodation of them? yes or no. there is no middle ground, the poor are NOT going to magically "jerk themselves up by their own bootstraps" and join the fantasy land of horatio alger.
They got treatment before Obamacare, and will get treatment after Obamacare. You represent these people as helpless babies who can't take care of themselves. I don't believe that. Also, seem to have no concern for the people hurt by Obamacare.
They got care? What, at ER's? As a matter of fact, plenty of people either too poor to afford health insurance, or had had preexisting medical conditions were locked out of medical coverage, and had suffered and even died because of it. It has nothing to do with treating people like babies, it's about offering a hand to the forgotten.
no use trying to convince him and his ilk of that, they will stubbornly persist in their hardcore belief that healthcare is a privilege just for folks with lots of $$$$$$$. or worse yet, misfortune has to happen to themselves before they "get it."
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auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
would you prefer the "absolute poor" just died?
So if free stuff is not provided, then that is the same as "letting someone die" ? Shouldn't we provide free cars to everyone, because someone may die from heat exhaustion? And we need free homes, because people may end up in shelters, and those may not be safe. Everything should be free, because there is always the possibility whatever is not free can cause someone to die.
you are dissembling. it is a yes or no question- DO YOU PREFER the uninsured poor just die? or are you willing to abide by some public accommodation of them? yes or no. there is no middle ground, the poor are NOT going to magically "jerk themselves up by their own bootstraps" and join the fantasy land of horatio alger.
They got treatment before Obamacare, and will get treatment after Obamacare. You represent these people as helpless babies who can't take care of themselves. I don't believe that. Also, seem to have no concern for the people hurt by Obamacare.
They got care? What, at ER's? As a matter of fact, plenty of people either too poor to afford health insurance, or had had preexisting medical conditions were locked out of medical coverage, and had suffered and even died because of it. It has nothing to do with treating people like babies, it's about offering a hand to the forgotten.
no use trying to convince him and his ilk of that, they will stubbornly persist in their hardcore belief that healthcare is a privilege just for folks with lots of $$$$$$$. or worse yet, misfortune has to happen to themselves before they "get it."
(Sigh) I know. Sometimes being right can be lonely.
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05 Nov 2014, 3:04 am
LoveNotHate wrote:
I voted for a Democrat as I stated in the first post, because the Democrat in my state wanted to cut taxes. However, the Republican won.
mea culpa. my bad. apologies. sorry.
LoveNotHate wrote:
Many people are angry and they voted based on their anger. We have seen how the very poor that are cut out of Medicare expansion don't get Obamacare, and face higher medical costs because of it, as well as their Medicare taxes are being used to subsidize other states' Medicare programs.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/3 ... 80566.html
If I was in that group I would be angry at Obama and vote Republican. Wouldn't you? Many, many people had their jobs changed to part time, because the government mandated that employers provide them with healthcare. However, people under 40 probably don't think they need health care, so they see this as Obama taking away their income and sharing it will poor people. I would be angry and vote Republican.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/3 ... 80566.html
If I was in that group I would be angry at Obama and vote Republican. Wouldn't you? Many, many people had their jobs changed to part time, because the government mandated that employers provide them with healthcare. However, people under 40 probably don't think they need health care, so they see this as Obama taking away their income and sharing it will poor people. I would be angry and vote Republican.
but it was republicans who were entirely behind the refusal to expand Medicaid in those states. I blame republicans for this. and when I was middle class I did not begrudge the poor getting a few crumbs thrown at them. how could I do otherwise and be right with myself? I was poor, then middle class, then poor so I know how it feels from those two angles. at least part timers can now get health insurance when by and large, before PPACA that was not the case most of the time.
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