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20 May 2015, 8:04 am

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Jesus, people. These are children! They do not have the same capacity for criminal responsibility that adults have!

Treating them like they are adult criminals will often make them feel criminal and can ruin their ability to go to school or do other things that kids do to ensure their futures!


Oh so wrong. Not common, but you can see some pretty depraved things being done by minors (and I mean under 10 years of age).

Again, if parents were doing their jobs, there'd be no need for extreme stunts like was detailed in that story.


The article's point was that it wasn't necessary or even helpful. If you look, as well, the harshest treatment came from a judge who was receiving kickbacks for putting children in juvy/prison for long periods.

A lot of people likely thought the judge was just doing necessary tough love, which is probably why he got away with his crimes for so long.

I'd like to see people question that more.


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20 May 2015, 8:09 am

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They're not being treated like adult criminals. If they were, they wouldn't be in chains.


Thanks for the reminder. :) From the article:

"Murder suspects come to court in suits. Kids who steal gum arrive in leg irons and belly chains."

"Psychologists say the humiliation and trauma of this experience has a lasting effect on children’s mental health."


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20 May 2015, 8:15 am

From Wiki on the kids for cash scandal:

"For example, Ciavarella adjudicated children to extended stays in youth centers for offenses as minimal as mocking a principal on Myspace, trespassing in a vacant building, or shoplifting DVDs from Wal-mart."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

According to the OP article, Ciaverella despite these ridiculous actions was seen as simply being "no-nonsense."


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20 May 2015, 8:19 am

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While it does seem a bit severe, they *did* steal. Maybe this will teach them to respect others property rights?

Do you have no sympathy for anyone. No empathy. Did you steal something when you were little and should you have been shackled and dragged into court for it. If not, why not and should you have been given your current ideas...


I do not recall stealing anything as a child, except one of those small toy cars that I took home from kindergarten. I was not shackled, or found out for that. Looking back, it was bad what I did, and I regret it. What do you mean with your last sentence? I do not understand what you are trying to convey with it.

Also, saying I have no empathy for anyone is rude. I do feel empathy, but I just don't like thieves. Shackling them is a bit much, maybe. I don't think the children will turn to more crime now, though.

A child who steals bubble gum isn't a thief. Almost every child steals at one time or another. Since you stole the toy car, how is it OK for you not to have been shackled and dragged into court while it was OK for this child. You seem in this post and others that you have little empathy for many people. Sounds like my Republican brother... Sad...


What I did as a child was wrong. I stole, thus I was a thief. I have never stolen since that. Those kids are thiefs as well. Dragging them to court is a bit much, but they still stole. Just because you are a child does not mean it is OK to break the law. Theft is theft, there is no arguing that.


I think you need to turn yourself in and insist on extremely severe punishment.

Getting away with such a crime is extremely unhealthy. If you are not punished, you will surely fall into a life of crime sometime in the near future.

I fear for your family and others who have the misfortune to be near to you!

Well said. Perhaps she should look in the mirror before condemning others doing the same as she did...



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22 May 2015, 2:15 am

GoonSquad wrote:
denpajin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
denpajin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
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While it does seem a bit severe, they *did* steal. Maybe this will teach them to respect others property rights?

Do you have no sympathy for anyone. No empathy. Did you steal something when you were little and should you have been shackled and dragged into court for it. If not, why not and should you have been given your current ideas...


I do not recall stealing anything as a child, except one of those small toy cars that I took home from kindergarten. I was not shackled, or found out for that. Looking back, it was bad what I did, and I regret it. What do you mean with your last sentence? I do not understand what you are trying to convey with it.

Also, saying I have no empathy for anyone is rude. I do feel empathy, but I just don't like thieves. Shackling them is a bit much, maybe. I don't think the children will turn to more crime now, though.

A child who steals bubble gum isn't a thief. Almost every child steals at one time or another. Since you stole the toy car, how is it OK for you not to have been shackled and dragged into court while it was OK for this child. You seem in this post and others that you have little empathy for many people. Sounds like my Republican brother... Sad...


What I did as a child was wrong. I stole, thus I was a thief. I have never stolen since that. Those kids are thiefs as well. Dragging them to court is a bit much, but they still stole. Just because you are a child does not mean it is OK to break the law. Theft is theft, there is no arguing that.


I think you need to turn yourself in and insist on extremely severe punishment.

Getting away with such a crime is extremely unhealthy. If you are not punished, you will surely fall into a life of crime sometime in the near future.

I fear for your family and others who have the misfortune to be near to you!


It is unhealthy. You are what you do.

I still think that punishment should in some way be proportional to the crime, so I guess someone should take away a toy or something from the children that they value a lot. I think if I turned myself in at the police station, I would first get laughed at and then told to sod off.



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22 May 2015, 10:51 am

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It is unhealthy. You are what you do.

I still think that punishment should in some way be proportional to the crime, so I guess someone should take away a toy or something from the children that they value a lot. I think if I turned myself in at the police station, I would first get laughed at and then told to sod off.


Then, perhaps, for your own good, you should find a way to punish yourself.

Give away your car. Or, if you don't own a car, give away all your clothes, your computer, and all the food in your pantry.
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23 May 2015, 8:44 am

GoonSquad wrote:
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It is unhealthy. You are what you do.

I still think that punishment should in some way be proportional to the crime, so I guess someone should take away a toy or something from the children that they value a lot. I think if I turned myself in at the police station, I would first get laughed at and then told to sod off.


Then, perhaps, for your own good, you should find a way to punish yourself.

Give away your car. Or, if you don't own a car, give away all your clothes, your computer, and all the food in your pantry.
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23 May 2015, 2:41 pm

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