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19 Aug 2015, 5:55 pm

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So do you support keeping people silent who speak up against oppression and discrimination?


No I don't. Strawman. You haven't understood, clearly.

Also you haven't been kept silent, you are complaining about the privilege to post here as if it were a right. It isn't.

If I posted on your Facebook page would that be my right? No, of course not. You don't speak for me, and I don't speak for you. When you use a site, that you don't own you are posting there by permission under their terms.

Also you have posted to same basic topic over and over, adding little new. You voice is one of many, it is not more important that others. So don't get surprised when such threads get locked.



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19 Aug 2015, 5:59 pm

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Of course men are human beings but according to society and the radical feminists agenda all men are evil sex craved subhuman swine, yet their fathers, brothers, and sons, are men. Men are human beings, have emotion just like women do but society ignores that, society ignores problems men face, if a woman is raped it is noticed and the woman faces sympathy and support, however if a man is raped he is ridiculed and told he must have enjoyed it, if a woman is abused via domestic violence she gets sympathy but on the flipside when a man is abused he is expected to man up! I am not sure whether this is the patriarchy or radical feminism doing this, maybe both but maybe it is time femenists rise up and speak up for men for a change, if they dont then I suppose it is up for humanists like myself because someone has to speak up for both sides esspecially someone who has experienced being a male rape victim as well as a male victim of domestic violence and have a voice made and no longer be silenced!

There's a whole bunch of men who aren't any of that. Sex offenders are only a small percentage of humanity if you look on Crime Reports. Considering all the men and women in America, they are still the minority, right? Most men are normal.



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19 Aug 2015, 6:20 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
There's a whole bunch of men who aren't any of that. Sex offenders are only a small percentage of humanity if you look on Crime Reports. Considering all the men and women in America, they are still the minority, right? Most men are normal.


...and the majority of people know that. All this "feminists say x", is blown way out of proportion.



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19 Aug 2015, 6:25 pm

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There's a whole bunch of men who aren't any of that. Sex offenders are only a small percentage of humanity if you look on Crime Reports. Considering all the men and women in America, they are still the minority, right? Most men are normal.


...and the majority of people know that. All this "feminists" say x, is blown way out of proportion.



Yeah but why worry about it? There's a small group of men who say stuff about women and it's true, they get attention, too, and people start believing most men have their views. Just like with women and feminists. The majority of people try to live their lives the best they can without all the drama and bs. They go to work and spend time with their families. It's boring and mundane but it's what they do.



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19 Aug 2015, 7:29 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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Of course men are human beings but according to society and the radical feminists agenda all men are evil sex craved subhuman swine, yet their fathers, brothers, and sons, are men. Men are human beings, have emotion just like women do but society ignores that, society ignores problems men face, if a woman is raped it is noticed and the woman faces sympathy and support, however if a man is raped he is ridiculed and told he must have enjoyed it, if a woman is abused via domestic violence she gets sympathy but on the flipside when a man is abused he is expected to man up! I am not sure whether this is the patriarchy or radical feminism doing this, maybe both but maybe it is time femenists rise up and speak up for men for a change, if they dont then I suppose it is up for humanists like myself because someone has to speak up for both sides esspecially someone who has experienced being a male rape victim as well as a male victim of domestic violence and have a voice made and no longer be silenced!

There's a whole bunch of men who aren't any of that. Sex offenders are only a small percentage of humanity if you look on Crime Reports. Considering all the men and women in America, they are still the minority, right? Most men are normal.
So my speaking up against sexism against men is meaningless and a waste of time? It comes to show your views men don't matter or have any value and are not human and wish to conform to the negetive stereotypes of how society perceives men to be.Men are not important, men are useless, who cares about men they have no value or contribution to society. If a woman beats you and abuses you, you are supposed to man up, if you are raped, then you must have enjoyed it, this is societies view when the same crimes done to women are done to men. It is time to put this sick viewpoint to a stop, men are people just like women are, have emotions and a reason to exist, there are more good men than bad men and there are more good women than bad women, however the male gender is vilified for everything or is blamed for becoming a victim because he did not man up!


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19 Aug 2015, 8:05 pm

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So my speaking up against sexism against men is meaningless and a waste of time? It comes to show your views men don't matter or have any value and are not human and wish to conform to the negetive stereotypes of how society perceives men to be.Men are not important, men are useless, who cares about men they have no value or contribution to society. If a woman beats you and abuses you, you are supposed to man up, if you are raped, then you must have enjoyed it, this is societies view when the same crimes done to women are done to men. It is time to put this sick viewpoint to a stop, men are people just like women are, have emotions and a reason to exist, there are more good men than bad men and there are more good women than bad women, however the male gender is vilified for everything or is blamed for becoming a victim because he did not man up!

Most of society doesn't view men like that. You are acutely sensitive to the rantings and ravings of a vocal minority instead of focusing on all those men and women who just do boring day-to-day activities, come home, do boring stuff at home, go to bed, get up the next day, go to work, return home again, nap from exhaustion. That's how most men and women live their lives.
The women who try to tell others most men are rapists are a vocal minority who are only focusing on a small percentage of sex offenders while ignoring the majority of men.



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19 Aug 2015, 8:37 pm

I have been accused of living a sheltered life many of times. But aren't the feminist of that extremity just a small fringe minority of feminist?



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19 Aug 2015, 9:43 pm

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Spoken like a true believer.

This all-or-nothing totalitarian lunacy is what's driving left leaning moderates towards the right.


What could be wrong with experimenting with society in this way?

You've just got to have faith and defend all members of this coalition and their agendas, and we'll all at least get something out of this. We need the unfortunate experience of each victim group we defend, from women, to gays, to muslims, to blacks in America, to help make the Right look bad. Once they look bad, they wont' have any moral legitimacy, and we'll rule this country, and you'll at least get something out of it. But it requires everyone doing their part to defend one another from inquiry. When someone gets critical of women or muslims, it is your job to defend these groups, because we all rise and fall together.


Yep, let's keep throwing s**t in the vain hope that we get more of it on our opponents than we get on ourselves. That'll fix everything.


It's actually a mature view of politics when it comes down to what it's really actually about. And that is power. It's about empowering you to think you can actually change the world, to go out and vote for the coalition of victims, who when placed in power, can change the world on your behalf. Which can't be done... if we're not in power.


Naming oneself a victim does not a victim make. Left or right, all are equally self-serving. The 'coalition of "victims"' would quickly bankrupt any country they got a firm grip on. Explain how this would benefit anyone.



What else do you think can spark the revolution. Revolution isn't coming fast enough so we have to make up hysteria's to bring about the messianic age that we've been waiting to create. We only need one to break through to the point that everything breaks down and society falls apart, and, well, as an organized front, we can just blame capitalism and democracy and religion for having failed us all, and we'll be able to control most of the country. Besides, who do you think will be "bankrupt" but the creditors and banks who puppet the system.

Leaving this system, we'll be able to build one that cares for everybody, but that kind of world can only built atop the ruins of the current one we live in.


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19 Aug 2015, 10:32 pm

Sorry that happened to you. Was the rape by a female or male?

One thing I will say is female on male rape gets virtually no attention. Some argue even that the phenomenon doesn't exist. I don't claim to be an expert on this, but I would imagine, that such a scenario is possible, ESPECIALLY for children and adolescents.

Anyway, rape is about POWER and that's something people often forget. Men rape more often and they do so because it makes them feel powerful. A heterosexual man might even rape another man or a child of the same sex This s**t happens, and it's not about sex. It's about power. And this is where the patriarchy comes into play. Again, not an expert, but I don't believe it's a myth.

I do wish male victims would speak out more. The thing is many male victims are victims of other males. Women are capable of rape in theory. They just don't do it as often as men.



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19 Aug 2015, 10:43 pm

I just wish the men's rights activist weren't so shamelessly misogynist.



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19 Aug 2015, 10:46 pm

One thing I will say is society sends a lot of conflicting messages to men. I was very confused in college. I was raised to treat women with respect but it would infuriate me when I would see women falling for traits in men that I found to be repulsive.

But nowadays I see this more as a global problem and not something that we can just pin on one sex or another. Many women who harbor hatred of men are actual victims of men themselves. Some women who are promiscuous are actually victims of rape themselves.

The same can be said for some men who harbor hatred of women.

I simply think as a system, balancing both sides, looking at all the angles, men overall have more power in the grand scheme of things. This doesn't mean that women don't mistreat men. And there's nothing wrong with pointing it out when it occurs.



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20 Aug 2015, 12:29 am

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I just wish the men's rights activist weren't so shamelessly misogynist.


Could you point out some specific examples?

It seems logical to me to use feminists as the metric by which we measure MRA behaviours. I've read a lot of MRA literature, as well as hundreds of articles by feminists, and of course watched videos made by supporters of both and neither. Generally I find MRAs to be more focused on the issue rather than focused on blaming their woes on a particular sex.

Or are you suggesting that fighting for men's rights is inherently misogynistic?



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20 Aug 2015, 3:33 am

That's an interesting experiment Boo.

I think what the video demonstrates is that "male chauvanism" is still alive and well. Notice that in the first section a male essentially attacks another male in order to resolve the situation (and suppoedly this is GOOD).

In the second situation, it is perhaps understandable that nobody wants to ATTACK a female. I'm not saying this right or wrong, it's just an observation.

The thing is everyone assumes that the male is responsible for the precise reason that males usually are responsible. In the second video, I kept thinking to myself this lady is mad at this man because he is an a**hole. In the first video, I kept thinking this man is THE a**hole.

Maybe, my views are warped. I bet $100 that more men agree with me than women. Women are often going to sympathize with the man as twisted as that seems. I don't like men and I am a man. Maybe I have issues to work on here.



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20 Aug 2015, 4:16 am

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That's an interesting experiment Boo.

I think what the video demonstrates is that "male chauvanism" is still alive and well. Notice that in the first section a male essentially attacks another male in order to resolve the situation (and suppoedly this is GOOD).


So you blame male suffering on alleged negative male traits without demonstrating correlation? I see the answer as far more simple. Women are, and always have been, a protected societal group. You're witnessing actual privilege. N.B. this differs from 'privilege' as touted by identity politicians.

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In the second situation, it is perhaps understandable that nobody wants to ATTACK a female. I'm not saying this right or wrong, it's just an observation.


Is restraining a violent person in defence of their victim considered to be an "ATTACK"?

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The thing is everyone assumes that the male is responsible for the precise reason that males usually are responsible.


They do. It's called sexism. However, your assertion that males are usually responsible is completely unfounded and also quite sexist.

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In the second video, I kept thinking to myself this lady is mad at this man because he is an as*hole. In the first video, I kept thinking this man is THE as*hole.


That's sexism too.

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Maybe, my views are warped. I bet $100 that more men agree with me than women. Women are often going to sympathize with the man as twisted as that seems. I don't like men and I am a man. Maybe I have issues to work on here.


Of course your views are warped, you were likely raised in an environment similar to that of those people who rushed to the aid of the young lady yet went as far as weighing in when the male was the victim. The trick is to recognise this for what it is and start viewing men and women as equals.



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20 Aug 2015, 4:36 am

Lol, you are completely wrong. I have a history but it's not what you think it is. And I don't share it here for obvious reasons.