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24 Sep 2015, 11:51 pm

We are probably dealing with ordinary crime.



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24 Sep 2015, 11:55 pm

Humanaut wrote:
We are probably dealing with ordinary crime.

you can say that all day and night. what do you base it on?



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25 Sep 2015, 12:00 am

Lack of evidence to the contrary.



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25 Sep 2015, 12:32 am

Humanaut wrote:
Lack of evidence to the contrary.

i have all the evidence i need on my facebook wall. trans people are ridiculous. trans people will burn in hell. i'll beat up anyone who defaces an american flag. the hate and the violent tendencies are there.



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25 Sep 2015, 12:40 am

You probably should report them to Facebook if you think they are violating the terms of service.



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25 Sep 2015, 12:46 am

Humanaut wrote:
You probably should report them to Facebook if you think they are violating the terms of service.

maybe i should. thanks.



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25 Sep 2015, 1:16 am

Humanaut wrote:
We are probably dealing with ordinary crime.


Not any ordinary crimes, but hate crimes. Violence against people of the LGBT community is based on hatred, more often than not based on prejudices the perpetrators had been raised with stemming from religion.


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25 Sep 2015, 2:01 am

trans murders tend to be particularly gruesome (consistent with hate crimes) and to go unsolved.



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25 Sep 2015, 3:23 am

Humanaut wrote:
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1,731 cases of reported killings of trans and gender-diverse people from January 1st 2008 to December 31st 2014.

Are you suggesting that Christian terrorists are behind these killings?

Well, christians are behind the majority of these killings.
Whether these were terrorist acts is a matter of semantics, but according to the oxford definition of terrorism (quoted in this threat), they were indeed acts of terror.

In other news, Anders Breivik, a few years back in norway, that was without a doubt a terrorist act, and he was a pure-blood christian.

I'm not even sure that *most* terrorists are muslims, there's the IRA, the basques indeed and, depending on how you look at it, greenpeace (yes, they use fear and intimidation to change the world into one they'd like to see: terror), just to name a few...
It's just that muslim terror gets more media coverage, christian or 'other' terror isn't called by that name, so the public perception is skewed (again)



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25 Sep 2015, 11:42 am

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Whether these were terrorist acts is a matter of semantics...

Not really. It's a matter of methodology where motivational factors are part of the classification process. As of now there is absolutely nothing pointing in the direction of trans people being victims of Christian terror.



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25 Sep 2015, 11:48 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Humanaut wrote:
We are probably dealing with ordinary crime.


Not any ordinary crimes, but hate crimes. Violence against people of the LGBT community is based on hatred, more often than not based on prejudices the perpetrators had been raised with stemming from religion.

All crimes involving violence are, to me, hate crimes.


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25 Sep 2015, 11:52 am

cathylynn wrote:
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I highly doubt it.

did you see the sorts of hateful things some christians are saying about trans people? it's a short step from that to violence.

And, no doubt, there are some trans people saying terrible things about Christians. There are douchebags in every population.

"If you look for the bad in people, you surely will find it." - Abraham Lincoln


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25 Sep 2015, 12:08 pm

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I've been seeing people posting about how Islam is the only terrorist group out there. They claim: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.”
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But that's a flat out lie, and even after I posted evidence proving it wrong, I got this reply:
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Generally there is a substantial difference in these attacks. Wackos who do violent things because they claim their religion as a Source and Cause for their violence (Muslims who believe Allah commands the death of the infidel), and wackos who happen to be of another religion. Hindus are left out also. jewish violence was high in the 1940s but not now.


What causes people to deny that Christians can be terrorists as well? Or Jews? Or anyone other than Muslim? It makes no sense to me.



One man's terror attack is another man's justifiable resistance to oppression or some other perceived wrong-doing. If there are Muslim terrorists, or Jewish terrorists, or Christian terrorists is pretty much dependent on who's doing the counting and what they count as a terror attack, and what they don't.



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25 Sep 2015, 12:29 pm

glebel wrote:
All crimes involving violence are, to me, hate crimes.


What about crimes of passion? There's usually hurt, betrayal, jealousy... but not so much hate in the terms of someone killing a trans person because of who/what they are. There's a completely different mindset and that's why they have the various classifications.

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One man's terror attack is another man's justifiable resistance to oppression or some other perceived wrong-doing. If there are Muslim terrorists, or Jewish terrorists, or Christian terrorists is pretty much dependent on who's doing the counting and what they count as a terror attack, and what they don't.


This is definitely true. The founders of the USA could easily be considered terrorists, same with the Irish rebels (dad always joked that I grew up listening to terrorist music). It's sometimes hard to say whether something was an oppressed people striving for freedom of some sort vs a radical who was completely insane (because usually, in their heads, they're the good guys).

There are some instances, however, where it's seems an obvious act of terror, such as with Burundi's Mr. Rwasa:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/obadias-ndaba/burundis-turmoil_b_8143230.html wrote:
Mr. Rwasa's militiamen created a sick diversion before attacking the refugee camp. His men came in singing gospel songs, a survivor told me. God had given them easy prey, they said. In Kirundi, they sang that they were "the army of God", not much dissimilar from what the Islamic State is doing in Iraq and Syria.


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25 Sep 2015, 12:39 pm

ScrewyWabbit wrote:
kamiyu910 wrote:
I've been seeing people posting about how Islam is the only terrorist group out there. They claim: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.”
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But that's a flat out lie, and even after I posted evidence proving it wrong, I got this reply:
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Generally there is a substantial difference in these attacks. Wackos who do violent things because they claim their religion as a Source and Cause for their violence (Muslims who believe Allah commands the death of the infidel), and wackos who happen to be of another religion. Hindus are left out also. jewish violence was high in the 1940s but not now.


What causes people to deny that Christians can be terrorists as well? Or Jews? Or anyone other than Muslim? It makes no sense to me.



One man's terror attack is another man's justifiable resistance to oppression or some other perceived wrong-doing. If there are Muslim terrorists, or Jewish terrorists, or Christian terrorists is pretty much dependent on who's doing the counting and what they count as a terror attack, and what they don't.


"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
Ronald Regan 1986

"The difficulty of defining terrorism has led to the cliche that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
India Quarterly, by Indian Council of World Affairs, Published by Indian Council of World Affairs [etc.], 1945. p. 122.

However nice and clean sounding those quotes may be, they are attempts to muddy the waters. A terrorist is one who commits acts of terrorism; the definition of such acts can indeed be cleanly defined.


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25 Sep 2015, 12:40 pm

kamiyu910 wrote:
ScrewyWabbit wrote:
One man's terror attack is another man's justifiable resistance to oppression or some other perceived wrong-doing. If there are Muslim terrorists, or Jewish terrorists, or Christian terrorists is pretty much dependent on who's doing the counting and what they count as a terror attack, and what they don't.
This is definitely true.

Subjectively speaking, of course.