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26 Oct 2015, 6:10 pm

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Statism makes everything political.

Say you're walking around on a hot day, and you decide you'd like to buy an extra large soft drink. In a free society this would be nobody's business but yours, and certainly not a political issue.

But now in some places some people have decided that their neighbors shouldn't be allowed to buy a soft drink over a certain size. Presto, the size of your Diet Sprite is now a political issue.


And yet, it's the right that wants the state to stick it's nose into people's bedrooms to make sure they're not carrying on consensual homosexual relations, or even oral and anal sex between hetereosexual, married couples.


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26 Oct 2015, 8:10 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
And yet, it's the right that wants the state to stick it's nose into people's bedrooms to make sure they're not carrying on consensual homosexual relations, or even oral and anal sex between hetereosexual, married couples.


I didn't say anything about "right" or "left," I said statism. The notion that an individual's life and work belong to the state/society/tribe is evil, regardless of whether the bosses are considered "right" or "left."


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26 Oct 2015, 9:31 pm

luan78zao wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
And yet, it's the right that wants the state to stick it's nose into people's bedrooms to make sure they're not carrying on consensual homosexual relations, or even oral and anal sex between hetereosexual, married couples.


I didn't say anything about "right" or "left," I said statism. The notion that an individual's life and work belong to the state/society/tribe is evil, regardless of whether the bosses are considered "right" or "left."


Fair enough. It's just that when people bring up statism, they generally imply that's at the end of the road starting from the so called nanny state. And that's of course a charge by the right.


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28 Oct 2015, 8:19 pm

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Uh... going to the bathroom, I suppose?

No even that has become political in some places. For example , http://www.nbc-2.com/story/28047228/fla-bill-makes-using-wrong-restroom-a-crime , http://www.rawstory.com/2013/03/arizona-bill-would-jail-transgender-people-for-using-the-wrong-bathroom/.



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28 Oct 2015, 8:50 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Uh... going to the bathroom, I suppose?

No even that has become political in some places. For example , http://www.nbc-2.com/story/28047228/fla-bill-makes-using-wrong-restroom-a-crime , http://www.rawstory.com/2013/03/arizona-bill-would-jail-transgender-people-for-using-the-wrong-bathroom/.


(Sigh) Goes to show you, the small government right will use the power of the state to interfere with the rights of people they hate.
I'm a guy, and I've had to use the ladies room in public places if the men's was out of order, or was occupied at a time I simply couldn't wait. I'm sure every man here has. Going by this law, we would all risk being arrested, and be branded with the scarlet letter of a sex offender if convicted. To those who say the law wouldn't apply to us in such cases, my response is, that's proof that transphobic bigotry is this law's intention.


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