Facts about racism

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Maybe we should start a thread on how to best address black-on-black violence?

I don't comment on black-on-black violence because I don't know how to best address the problem. I'm not denying that the problem exists.

The reason people get so angry at cops is because of their hypocrisy. A killer who admits faults makes me sad but does not make me furious. A cop who gets away with murder due to his perceived benevolence and inability to do no wrong does make me very angry. It's a question of what pushes people's buttons. I don't like gangs but they don't make as angry as self-righteous cops make me. Different people have different triggers that set them off. you need to accept that making a thread like this is going to set some people off. It's a hot-button issue.

Again, why not just make a thread about black-on-black violence if you're so concerned?

why do you all care about s**t like this? it is just so boring and un-fun.

just don't hurt anyone and you are fine.

If only that were true, b9

The problem is that people who are getting killed who have done nothing to deserve it.

There are other definitions, but the common element is "the belief in the superiority or inferiority of a race of people".

Might I inquire what your definition is, seeing as the common definition does not seem to suit you? Might I also ask why people feel the need to give the word a much broader meaning than it has had in the past? Why can't you just use a different word that already has the meaning you're looking for?

I think the answer is that the goal is not to represent your opponents accurately. It is to smear them with accusations of racism, knowing full well that this word describes a specific kind of hateful, deplorable person, and justify it by saying, "But this is MY definition." That is a dishonest tactic, and I am immediately suspicious of the motives of anyone who does this.

Is this not a thread about that very topic? I get what you're saying, but it's hard to talk about solutions to a problem when simply bringing it up gets you called a racist, which effectively shuts down productive conversation. All this emotional baggage that people have needs to be dealt with. But yes, I do have ideas about what you're asking, I just generally can't ever get to that point in the conversation without facing accusations of racism, white privilege etc.

I know it sets people off. That's kind of the point, bringing these issues up to the surface so I can point them out for what they are in real time with specific examples of real people posting on this forum. My only true intention is to inform people who are open to considering what I'm saying and hopefully make some small difference. The people who are not open to consideration serve as examples of what this kind of thinking does, like the person who accused me of "whitesplaining" for simply pointing out facts.

It's hard to talk about solutions when people can't even agree on the facts.

but what can YOU do about it? just sit back and waste your life pontificating and agonizing over philosophical principles?

it's always going to happen. you live for 100 years and the human race goes on from pillar to post after you are dead and gone, so it's really only how you live your life that is important.

unless you become some sort of activist who can attract media attention. but even that young pakistani girl (what's her name? mali?) who was trying to get improvements for female education became famous for a while because she was shot in the head and recovered and the worlds cameras were on her for a while.

then i noticed they tried to glamorize her and make her look pretty to improve her media image and then she kind of went out of world focus.

so she went far beyond what most people would experience in their lives, but still did not make a dent much.

anyway, i am not interested in politics or graphs of recent history, so i will let you all get on with it without further comment.

To each their own. I'm not doing this based on the belief that I'm going to, or that I have to, convince people, I do it because I enjoy debate and this is a topic which I'm interested in. That's really all it comes down to. I do hope that I make some difference, but I'm under no illusion about the impact of my words on such a small number of people.

yeah well don't get cranky about it or anything.
i just am not interested and you are.
different strokes for different folks.
i like thinking about patterns and stuff and you like thinking about people and world affairs.

we'll both be dusty old empty skulls in a couple of hundred years time, so good luck.

Nobody is forcing you to be interested or to participate. If this type of conversation annoys you so much, why are you even here? I'm not trying to sound like an ass, it's an honest question.

I'm interested in many things. This is just the main thing or main type of thing I like talking about here on WP, because it tends to be controversial and leads to heated arguments, and I suppose I must enjoy being confrontational and being loud about my opinions, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it.

If anyone is interested in what the leaders of the BLM movement think about the subject, why not read their own words?

Common Misconceptions

1. The movement doesn’t care about black-on-black crime. The idea that black-on-black crime is not a significant political conversation among black people is patently false. In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate. However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people. The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic, whose goal is to suggest that black people don’t have the right to be outraged about police violence in vulnerable black communities, because those communities have a crime problem. The Black Lives Matter movement acknowledges the crime problem, but it refuses to locate that crime problem as a problem of black pathology. Black people are not inherently more violent or more prone to crime than other groups. But black people are disproportionately poorer, more likely to be targeted by police and arrested, and more likely to attend poor or failing schools. All of these social indicators place one at greater risk for being either a victim or a perpetrator of violent crime. To reduce violent crime, we must fight to change systems, rather than demonizing people.

This is a red herring fallacy, or more specifically a textbook case of the "fallacy of relative privation."

Being concerned about police misconduct and bias does not preclude being concerned about violence in Black communities.

In fact, one of the reasons why crime is more widespread in Black communities might be because people in these communities are less likely - due to experiences with police misconduct and bias - to trust the police.

Furthermore, several current issues with US law enforcement, such as...

- Police militarization
- Insufficient de-escalation training
- Arresting and imprisoning individuals for very minor/trivial offenses (War on Drugs)

... are valid points of criticism irrespective of their disproportionate impact on Black communities.

You mean the words of whoever wrote that piece.



Black people =/= BLM.



http://cureviolence.org/partners/us-partners/

This has nothing to do with BLM. Any attempt to co-opt it or claim responsibility would be false.



No, they don't. The same data which highlights the magnitude of black on black crime is an explicit breakdown of all crime. In fact, those who talk about this problem usually raise the relatively lesser problem of white on white crime in order to give black on black crime its proper perspective.



You have the right to be outraged about anything you like. That doesn't mean that your outrage is reasonable or justifiable. It's just as legitimate to argue that placing the onus on law enforcement is, likewise, a diversionary tactic whose goal is to suggest that the reason black communities are in such turmoil is due to blue racism.



Acknowledging that the crime problem is an integral part of black communal pathology is not equivalent to stating that black people are inherently more violent - however, there is an inherent violence problem with black communities. The problem is social rather than 'black nature'. Recognising that the problem is one that can be addressed is a de facto statement that black people are capable of achieving better outcomes in their communities rather than hobbled by a genetic flaw.



Whilst it's genuinely reassuring that there's an acknowledgement here that poverty rather than skin colour is the determining factor, these are issues that cannot be resolved by being antagonistic towards wider society. Those who come from poor backgrounds yet go on to thrive in your nation do so by embracing the opportunities that are available to them, not by attacking the foundations of the society that created those opportunities to begin with.



To improve the lives of black people, we must work with the systems that make society function in order to enact harmonious change, rather than demonising cops.





And this mistrust breeds further mistrust and leads to young black people being poorly advised by their peers regarding cops.

Oh? So that happens in, like, the U.K.?

It's good old-fashioned whataboutery.

Well if you have a negative opinion about someone due to their skin color/ethnicity...that is considered racist, which makes sense. Like if you have a negative opinion of certain people that happen to be a different ethnicity I don't really see the problem there...but if you decide that negative opinion should apply to anyone else that shares the same race or ethnicity with that person than it's problematic.

Also why isn't crime just referred to as crime...why don't they call crimes white people commit against other white people white on white crime? Also racism and racial profiling amoung law enforcement is not 'microscopic' at all...and it doesn't even just stop there people with mental disorders/conditions and homeless people also are unfairly profiled by police.

That said I don't have any 'white guilt' but yet I still think racism is an issue.

racism

noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

I'll just leave that here.