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28 Dec 2016, 8:43 pm

I agree and disagree.

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Donald Trump simply wants to fix the system. He loves his country. The small faction of white supremacists who claim him are going to be disappointed when they realize he is not their guy. In fact its Hillary Clinton who is more in line with their thinking.


This part is okay.

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Donald Trump is going to be great for America. I am so happy about this. He has an anointing from God. I know that Satan is very unhappy that Trump is going to be president. We need to pray for his protection and for his cabinet.


This part is wierd. Trump isn't even president yet, so I have no idea of how he will be for america. If he does good, then great, if he doesn't, well, then his damage will only be limited to four years. The God/Satan bit is really wierd, and I'm NOT a 'follower' in the truest sense of 'God' 'Satan' and certainly not Trump. --Trump has been elected to be a servant, not a Leader in the absolute sense.

--Still though, I wish him luck as president.


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28 Dec 2016, 10:13 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
rvacountrysinger wrote:
I am so happy about this. He has an anointing from God. I know that Satan is very unhappy that Trump is going to be president. We need to pray for his protection and for his cabinet.


:roll:, even if your god does exist why would he involve himself specifically in American politics?


Same reason he involves himself in high school football games - he's a figment of the imagination. ;)


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28 Dec 2016, 10:21 pm

I didn't vote for Trump (or Hillary for that matter), but I feel if my vision for America is anything short of a giant hippie commune, I am a bigot. That's worse than being a murderer, drug lord, and child molester put together.


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28 Dec 2016, 10:44 pm

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...I feel if my vision for America is anything short of a giant hippie commune, I am a bigot. That's worse than being a murderer, drug lord, and child molester put together.


I'm not sure who's put this notion in your head but it's utterly incorrect.


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29 Dec 2016, 5:06 am

How do you know that Trump has "an anointing from God"?

Did a voice from a burning bush tell you this?



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29 Dec 2016, 5:52 am

I don't think Trump is a saint by any means, but I don't think he's the devil either. I think too much hype about how virtuous and anointed he is, is just as bad as too much hype about how corrupt and evil he is.
I do think he sincerely wants to help the working class and build a better American. Whether he's capable or not, remains to be seen.



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29 Dec 2016, 7:57 am

I don't blame people for anointing Trump considering the same was done to with Obama(look it up) and the Clinton's being in league with the forces of Lucifer of course. :D

No, Trump is not a racist or a bigot and it is best to ignore the people who say that as they will soon be irrelevant. If Democrats don't abandon this narrative then we will have a GOP majority for a generation. Obama while personally popular has completely devastated the Democratic party, Obama never really took control of the Democratic party machinery from the Clinton's as it was always understood that Hillary would be the nominee going back all the way to 2008. Losing at all levels and it's going to get worse, 2018 could be a massacre in the senate.

People are tired of political correctness and being told what they can do, say, wear, etc based on somebody's arbitrar feels.



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29 Dec 2016, 11:56 am

What people say is important. If someone says bigoted things I'm supposed to not believe he really means it. His jokes about grabbing women I thought were really funny, Not! Carson is an idiot. I grew up in the South and know from experience that racist can have black friends.

Sessions from Alabama has been described by news media as someone who will set race relations back, remember he is from Alabama. I know I am cursed to have to live there. Even the UltraConservative Birmingham News endorsed Hillery, that is how bad Trump is.

Trump very clearly, it is on the record, made fun of a disabled reporter. He claimed that he was making fun of nervous reporters. No person, who is presidential material makes fun of anybody.

I see no evidence that God influences history. Why would we have had two world wars and a Holocaust?


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29 Dec 2016, 3:10 pm

Trump pushed the birther narrative in 2011, which was absolutely racist. It assumed that because Obama was black and had an unconventional name, he must've been foreign born.


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29 Dec 2016, 10:12 pm

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America is NOT a Christian nation. It's a secular nation where the majority happen to be Christian.


I don't know that the majority even are Christians.


I have explained this before, my dear. We are not a theocracy, but we do have religious freedoms and our country was founded on Judeo-Christian values. People have their freedom to believe/ not believe in what they wish. They doesn't mean we are not a Christian nation. We were established under a Constitution that is a timeless document. Naturally our founding fathers were guided by divine intervention in which to ensure that it would last forever.



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29 Dec 2016, 10:15 pm

I admire Trump because he is refreshingly politically incorrect. Being autistic, I have a hard time understanding political correctness in the first place.(its clearly a nuerotypical invention) But once I understood, I fail to see its value. To me its a form of Marxism. In fact I see it on this very message board.



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30 Dec 2016, 4:02 pm

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I don't blame people for anointing Trump considering the same was done to with Obama(look it up) and the Clinton's being in league with the forces of Lucifer of course. :D

No, Trump is not a racist or a bigot and it is best to ignore the people who say that as they will soon be irrelevant. If Democrats don't abandon this narrative then we will have a GOP majority for a generation. Obama while personally popular has completely devastated the Democratic party, Obama never really took control of the Democratic party machinery from the Clinton's as it was always understood that Hillary would be the nominee going back all the way to 2008. Losing at all levels and it's going to get worse, 2018 could be a massacre in the senate.

People are tired of political correctness and being told what they can do, say, wear, etc based on somebody's arbitrar feels.


Yeah we can have some nice religious legislation to overturn legalization of gay marriage for homosexuals, for women:be forced to have babies if birth control fails and abortion is needed, The feds having the go ahead to continue fighting states and at least 53% of the population on marijuana legalization, I saw something the other day about Trump saying something about wanting to take away citizenship from political protestors ect. Granted I am not a democrat and do not regard the democratic party very positively, but you really are sadly mistaking if you think the Republican party is that much better.


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30 Dec 2016, 4:16 pm

rvacountrysinger wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
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America is NOT a Christian nation. It's a secular nation where the majority happen to be Christian.


I don't know that the majority even are Christians.


I have explained this before, my dear. We are not a theocracy, but we do have religious freedoms and our country was founded on Judeo-Christian values. People have their freedom to believe/ not believe in what they wish. They doesn't mean we are not a Christian nation. We were established under a Constitution that is a timeless document. Naturally our founding fathers were guided by divine intervention in which to ensure that it would last forever.


This country was founded on the constitution which contains the first amendment, which grants religious freedom as well as no establishment of a national religion. Freedom of religion works both ways, not just in favor of Christians. Thus I cannot impose non-christian beliefs on you and you cannot impose christian beliefs on me...therefore neither of our beliefs can be made into government legislation as that would violate rights of people who don't share them. It is not a 'christian nation' as we don't have laws or government based on Christianity or any religion, even if some right wing politicians would like to see it that way.

Also more likely the founding fathers where guided by their thoughts, opinions and consciences, everything isn't 'divine intervention' and you still haven't explained why you think your god would have a pre-occupation with this country opposed to other nations that have Christians in them.

And what about the message of that jesus guy, didn't he promote loving your neighbor, peace and all that stuff, lol the message of trump and his supporters doesn't really seem to resemble that which works against your theory that god favors trump in any way.


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30 Dec 2016, 5:26 pm

America is neither a Christian nation by design or by its behavior. I mean, we're bombing the s**t out of seven ME countries at the moment. That doesn't seem terribly Christian to me.

Religious BS aside, I have no idea whether Donny Tiny Hands is truly a bigot or a racist. He certainly pandered to the racist and bigots during his election, and also those who were fed up the Washington establishment. That was enough to get him elected, given his opponent embodied everything that is wrong with our system.

I doubt very seriously if he will live up to the expectations of those who voted for him, but time will tell. He certainly isn't off to a very good start by surrounding himself with Washington insiders and an assortment form the corporate elite, along with other people of questionable character. I see him as a blank canvas (since no one really knows what the f**k he stands for) that will mostly likely be splashed with the same neoliberalist colors we've come to expect from out elected officials for the past few decades. Nothing is likely to change. The oligarchs are in control, and that won't change until the American people pull their heads out of their asses, and stop expecting a savoir to magically save us. It's up to us to us! Stop listening to the media, stop expecting the government to fill your heads with anything but lies and propaganda, educate yourselves, and realize we are on our own -- nobody is looking out for us.


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30 Dec 2016, 9:38 pm

rvacountrysinger wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
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America is NOT a Christian nation. It's a secular nation where the majority happen to be Christian.


I don't know that the majority even are Christians.


I have explained this before, my dear. We are not a theocracy, but we do have religious freedoms and our country was founded on Judeo-Christian values. People have their freedom to believe/ not believe in what they wish. They doesn't mean we are not a Christian nation. We were established under a Constitution that is a timeless document. Naturally our founding fathers were guided by divine intervention in which to ensure that it would last forever.


Actually they were guided by common sense, not by some 'God' figure. When America was initially colonised in the 1600's, Europe was ruled by kings and lords who depending on their own beliefs forbade, (sometimes penlised by death) either protestant worship, or Catholic worship. --Massachussetts was founded by people who left England due to the fact that they persecuted for spurning the Church of England. Furthermore, many Jews were consigned to living in ghettoes, and had very serious restrictions placed on what they could or could not do.

The Ottoman Empire wasn't really much better. The founding fathers knew quite well religious persecution was, and because they did, they ensured that freedom of religious belief was one of the founding principles of this country.


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31 Dec 2016, 6:27 am

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You say blatantly that he denigrates women and makes fun of disabilities, well I say you are kind of pulling that out of context. He said much of what he did as a joke...


Really?
Have you ever been teased because you were autistic?

You have to realise the context.

They were just making a joke, so you were being too sensitive and should have just laughed along with them.



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