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21 Jun 2017, 6:48 pm

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There are also too many people who would rather live an irresponsible lifestyle and scrounge off welfare than go fishing. I see them all over my town and in Seattle. Their main pursuit in life seems to be tobacco, alcohol and drugs. Tweekers everywhere because of so many bleeding hearts sustaining that lifestyle for them.


Then how do you explain the large presence of tweekers in red states? Because they are legion there.


You're saying they're not getting any kind of government assistance in red states?


I never said that. My point was, addiction is just as common in the much less liberal parts of the country.


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21 Jun 2017, 8:50 pm



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22 Jun 2017, 8:38 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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There are also too many people who would rather live an irresponsible lifestyle and scrounge off welfare than go fishing. I see them all over my town and in Seattle. Their main pursuit in life seems to be tobacco, alcohol and drugs. Tweekers everywhere because of so many bleeding hearts sustaining that lifestyle for them.


Then how do you explain the large presence of tweekers in red states? Because they are legion there.


You're saying they're not getting any kind of government assistance in red states?


I never said that. My point was, addiction is just as common in the much less liberal parts of the country.


I was addressing mooching really rather than addiction. Red states or not, there will be bleeding hearts for them to mooch off.



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22 Jun 2017, 12:18 pm

EzraS wrote:
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There are also too many people who would rather live an irresponsible lifestyle and scrounge off welfare than go fishing. I see them all over my town and in Seattle. Their main pursuit in life seems to be tobacco, alcohol and drugs. Tweekers everywhere because of so many bleeding hearts sustaining that lifestyle for them.


Then how do you explain the large presence of tweekers in red states? Because they are legion there.


You're saying they're not getting any kind of government assistance in red states?


I never said that. My point was, addiction is just as common in the much less liberal parts of the country.


I was addressing mooching really rather than addiction. Red states or not, there will be bleeding hearts for them to mooch off.


Are you saying those in need are moochers?


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22 Jun 2017, 12:26 pm

"Minnie the Moocher" was a great classic by Cab Calloway.



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22 Jun 2017, 12:31 pm

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"Minnie the Moocher" was a great classic by Cab Calloway.


I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with that great man's music.


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22 Jun 2017, 12:33 pm

It's on YouTube. The best is when it's combined with a Betty Boop cartoon of the same name. From 1931.



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22 Jun 2017, 1:57 pm

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It's on YouTube. The best is when it's combined with a Betty Boop cartoon of the same name. From 1931.


Thanks.


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22 Jun 2017, 6:36 pm

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"Minnie the Moocher" was a great classic by Cab Calloway.


"...But Minnie had a heart as big as a whale! Hidey hidey hidey hi..."

:) I love that song. I discovered it in high school when I went through a swing/jazz period. That kind of music was "re-trending" (as they say now) at the time.



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22 Jun 2017, 6:43 pm

Yep.

That was great music in those days. And you know it wasn't embellished by studio effects.



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22 Jun 2017, 8:27 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
There are also too many people who would rather live an irresponsible lifestyle and scrounge off welfare than go fishing. I see them all over my town and in Seattle. Their main pursuit in life seems to be tobacco, alcohol and drugs. Tweekers everywhere because of so many bleeding hearts sustaining that lifestyle for them.


Then how do you explain the large presence of tweekers in red states? Because they are legion there.


You're saying they're not getting any kind of government assistance in red states?


I never said that. My point was, addiction is just as common in the much less liberal parts of the country.


I was addressing mooching really rather than addiction. Red states or not, there will be bleeding hearts for them to mooch off.


Are you saying those in need are moochers?


No I'm saying among those truly in need are many moochers. Remember that I am one who is in need. It is unlikely that I will ever be able to support myself independently as an adult and will always be in need of assistance. But there are plenty of other people who simply live lazy irresponsible lifestyles because they know the government and society will support them. They aren't being forced to go out and fish when they could if they absolutely had to.



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22 Jun 2017, 9:42 pm

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Since when is government responsible for people's poverty, illness, or injury? I'm not seeing government breaking anyone's legs. Do you know what happened to the poor and disabled before government help? They died.

It seems like the Obama administration has done a great job at destroying the middle class and small businesses. Effectively creating more poor people that's dependent on the government or more loyal voters enjoying a handout.

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The conservative perspective is that it's better to kick people off government help and teach them self-reliance ...
http://www.1-love-quotes.com/static/man ... 083C6A.jpg


There has to be a fish available to catch, or the man won't be eating at all. That's why business has to do their part, and provide work that the man can not only live on, but thrive.

It's almost like we had this conversation before... Opportunity doesn't come from income/wealth redistribution.

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No I'm saying among those truly in need are many moochers. Remember that I am one who is in need. It is unlikely that I will ever be able to support myself independently as an adult and will always be in need of assistance. But there are plenty of other people who simply live lazy irresponsible lifestyles because they know the government and society will support them. They aren't being forced to go out and fish when they could if they absolutely had to.

It's those that live irresponsible lifestyles, pointing fingers and demanding a handout. They ruin it for people truly in need, like the disabled... We shouldn't be rewarding people for laziness and stupid decisions.



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22 Jun 2017, 9:55 pm

Record heat wave across the southwest.

No opportunity for Democratic input on the healthcare bill. We've discussed what the Republicans did to the ACA with amendments and fake negotiations before refusing en masse to vote for the final bill. McConnell has no shame.

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22 Jun 2017, 11:30 pm

Oh god dear god if only Hilary was president.



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23 Jun 2017, 12:00 am

SH90 wrote:
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Since when is government responsible for people's poverty, illness, or injury? I'm not seeing government breaking anyone's legs. Do you know what happened to the poor and disabled before government help? They died.

It seems like the Obama administration has done a great job at destroying the middle class and small businesses. Effectively creating more poor people that's dependent on the government or more loyal voters enjoying a handout.

Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:

The conservative perspective is that it's better to kick people off government help and teach them self-reliance ...
http://www.1-love-quotes.com/static/man ... 083C6A.jpg


There has to be a fish available to catch, or the man won't be eating at all. That's why business has to do their part, and provide work that the man can not only live on, but thrive.

It's almost like we had this conversation before... Opportunity doesn't come from income/wealth redistribution.

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No I'm saying among those truly in need are many moochers. Remember that I am one who is in need. It is unlikely that I will ever be able to support myself independently as an adult and will always be in need of assistance. But there are plenty of other people who simply live lazy irresponsible lifestyles because they know the government and society will support them. They aren't being forced to go out and fish when they could if they absolutely had to.

It's those that live irresponsible lifestyles, pointing fingers and demanding a handout. They ruin it for people truly in need, like the disabled... We shouldn't be rewarding people for laziness and stupid decisions.


As I recall, the middle class had begun is long slide into oblivion during the Reagan years, long before Obama.
Working class people using the power of organizing and going on strike, as well as negotiations, in order to make corporations share in the money, that workers had produced, in fact had created the middle class following WWII. If you want to call that wealth redistribution, well then, it clearly works.


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23 Jun 2017, 1:13 am

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As I recall, the middle class had begun is long slide into oblivion during the Reagan years, long before Obama.

Reagan stabilized the economy after one of the worse presidents, Carter destroyed it... High tax rates killed jobs and investment, bringing in less money for the government. Reagan cut tax rates and regulation, giving confidence back to employers. Resulting in a significant drop in unemployment, nearly 50%. In turn, bringing in more tax revenue for the government.

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Working class people using the power of organizing and going on strike, as well as negotiations, in order to make corporations share in the money, that workers had produced, in fact had created the middle class following WWII.

That ultimately resulted in violence, inflation and made us less competitive globally.

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If you want to call that wealth redistribution, well then, it clearly works.

ACA is a clear example of wealth redistribution and it clearly doesn't work.