Americans: Should this veteran have been deported?
The_Walrus wrote:
Nobody should ever be deported. We shouldn't have a concept of national borders.
Just offering some perspective here; but, isn't that easy for you to say since you live on an island, whereas the United States is at the center of a global black market, with much of its illegal goods coming from south of the border (firearms, people -- going both ways really, drugs -- of which also often go through Canada from West Asia, etc)? Not that I'm agreeing or disagreeing, just offering something to consider. Perhaps find common ground at Ellis Island styled immigration...
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Government has no use for him anymore, he got expired after war use, so they throw him now like garbage.
I don't think (male) citizen veterans who end up disabled/ruined are treated better, except they're thrown to the streets instead.
That's the lowly male value in most governments' eyes.
Hyeokgeose wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Nobody should ever be deported. We shouldn't have a concept of national borders.
Just offering some perspective here; but, isn't that easy for you to say since you live on an island, whereas the United States is at the center of a global black market, with much of its illegal goods coming from south of the border (firearms, people -- going both ways really, drugs -- of which also often go through Canada from West Asia, etc)? Not that I'm agreeing or disagreeing, just offering something to consider. Perhaps find common ground at Ellis Island styled immigration...
The United States only borders two countries, both of which are in the G20. It isn't a country like Israel or Singapore. While you have quite a high rate of immigration (and of course there is still a big wealth differential between the US and Mexico), this has contributed a huge deal to your economy and national identity; indeed, if you hadn't had an open border for most of your existence then you wouldn't exist in anything like your current form. The same is of course true of my country, but America particularly prides itself on being "the land of the free", a statement which is at odds with modern draconian immigration systems.
Removing barriers to immigration would be worth about $78tr to the global economy, a truly incredible figure. It would also eliminate people smuggling and drastically cut the huge amounts of money wasted on border checks. It would be fair to keep checks restricting violent criminals or terrorist sympathisers from entering an area, so you'd still have some checks that wouldn't violate liberty.
As for the drugs question, simple legalise them and suddenly all drug crime goes away, along with the funding that the drug money provides to criminal gangs.
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Government has no use for him anymore, he got expired after war use, so they throw him now like garbage.
I don't think (male) citizen veterans who end up disabled/ruined are treated better, except they're thrown to the streets instead.
That's the lowly male value in most governments' eyes.
I don't think (male) citizen veterans who end up disabled/ruined are treated better, except they're thrown to the streets instead.
That's the lowly male value in most governments' eyes.
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The_Walrus wrote:
Hyeokgeose wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Nobody should ever be deported. We shouldn't have a concept of national borders.
Just offering some perspective here; but, isn't that easy for you to say since you live on an island, whereas the United States is at the center of a global black market, with much of its illegal goods coming from south of the border (firearms, people -- going both ways really, drugs -- of which also often go through Canada from West Asia, etc)? Not that I'm agreeing or disagreeing, just offering something to consider. Perhaps find common ground at Ellis Island styled immigration...
The United States only borders two countries, both of which are in the G20. It isn't a country like Israel or Singapore. While you have quite a high rate of immigration (and of course there is still a big wealth differential between the US and Mexico), this has contributed a huge deal to your economy and national identity; indeed, if you hadn't had an open border for most of your existence then you wouldn't exist in anything like your current form. The same is of course true of my country, but America particularly prides itself on being "the land of the free", a statement which is at odds with modern draconian immigration systems.
Removing barriers to immigration would be worth about $78tr to the global economy, a truly incredible figure. It would also eliminate people smuggling and drastically cut the huge amounts of money wasted on border checks. It would be fair to keep checks restricting violent criminals or terrorist sympathisers from entering an area, so you'd still have some checks that wouldn't violate liberty.
As for the drugs question, simple legalise them and suddenly all drug crime goes away, along with the funding that the drug money provides to criminal gangs.
All right, so you're not talking about anarchist abolition of borders. From what I understand, you do support an Ellis Island-styled kind of immigration.
I agree about legalizing drugs, too, in regards to taking away wealth and power from criminals, and especially cartels.
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-Stefán Karl Stefánsson
10 July, 1975 - 21 August, 2018.
