Should your racist act or speech hurt you forever?

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Where's C.K.'s redemption? I see him joking about school shooting victims. I'm open to redemption, after they apologize and show they sincerely understand the problem. Doesn't mean they deserve to hold public office, but they can find another occupation.

Well, he's a comedian. I never heard the jokes about shooting victims. He's an edgy comedian, and a very talented one at that. His offense was asking women is comedy clubs if he could masturbate in front of them. Like I said, that's inappropriate. But he's hardly a sexual predator.

I have never even heard of the metoo movement. I've seen a few videos with the label but never watched them. I like how Bret Weinstein explained some things on how a male learns to communicate with females in seek of finding a partner. He was suggesting, in these days the things we are willing to call sexual harassment and needing consent for every little thing is going completely against human evolution. The odd places it can put people in is, men that take chances usually get the girl, men that don't usually end up alone. I know this far too well, I'm a man that doesn't take chances and I have only been in one 'real' relationship in my entire life. The odd thing is most women will not give you the chance if you do not take risks, then on the flip side women are willing to call men out for sexual harassment when they do take a chance and the woman doesn't approve.

Of course their are lines that must be drawn, like it's not ok to just touch a woman, but also I've heard women saying they prefer for a man to make moves, like just grab her and kiss her. It's all making relationships nearly impossible to form for men and women. You either just take the chance and end up with the woman liking you or she files sexual harassment charges on you. Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying do a much better job at explaining what I'm trying to explain. (Evolutionary Biology) whatch this clip, it discusses what I'm trying to say...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYJFgyqs0sM

I personally play it safe, therefor I am alone.

I've also heard interesting arguments on holding comedians to the standards of political correctness is damaging to the art itself. Jammie Foxx and Joe Rogan were discussing it, saying that it's getting to a point where people can't even make jokes or they will be targeted. They brought up Robert Downey Jr playing 'blackface' in "Tropic Thunder" and suggested that may no longer be possible to do because of how blown out of proportion 'racism' is, you here more about racism than you encounter. They made the point, among others, that comedians should have freedom to make jokes without being targeted.

The reason I say it's bad to ban anyone from being a politician if you can find dirt on them is because people change. Take for example, say you have a KKK member(that hasn't killed anyone) who finally got sense talked into him from a man of a different race. People who learn from their mistakes and try to make up for the wrongs they have done usually work the hardest at doing it. We could end up banning someone that could greatly help our politics/country just because they had a bad past. Also, he would be trying to make up for his bad past, thus actually trying to help and having motivation not derived from seeking power.

While everyone is a product of their time, there is a far cry from being used to sentiments that will later be seen as insensitive to committing hate crime.

Same as there is a big difference between the thought "I'm so angry I could strangle you" and actually doing it/ attempting it.


A leopard doesn't change its spots.

Who would trust a person like that in a position of power? (not that the rest of the ones in power are trustworthy either).

It's a saying for a reason. True change is rare. It seems to mostly happen when others find out about it. Funny that.


True that most people are wary of that which is different, but being soundly cautious and even somewhat paranoid is on another level than being hateful.


I would be surprised if those that the criminals committed the crime against have forgotten or forgiven.
And it's very common to be skeptical of ex-cons. There is a reason why they often have problems getting jobs. Who would hire someone who has been stealing from their work place, or committed violent acts, or who might become a liability or embarrassment for the workplace?


Exactly. Unfortunately I usually see the opposite happening. Recently there was a case here involving a central politician and young girls. He was ostracized - for a year. Men who were previously cast out for inappropriate behavior towards young girls have returned to their places in politics. Chim Kjølner, Terje Søviknes, and recently Trond Giske.

I have no problems with people who have committed such acts not getting a second chance. They are irredeemable in my eyes

By this standard, I and most people my age should be barred from all public lives because most of are used to sentiments that go way way beyond the line of what is considered hate thought today.

There was a not uncommon type of person who would as they said "give the shirt off" their backs to all people but crude and rude, vicious stereotypes and slurs were a regular part of their conversation. Should they lose their job because somebody decides to rat on them?.

I am going to get personal. If I were given money for every time was called a k*e by bullies, my synagogue defaced by swasticas I would be a rich man. Pennies were thrown on the ground and I was told to go get it. I was also a "target" of whereby somebody said do you smell gas a holocaust reference. Thing is in that group the Italian guy was "warned" about bullet holes in his car a mafia reference, the Irish guy got drunk jokes. Even with my Autistic social deficits I often (probably not often enough) knew the difference between bigotry and "ethnic humor" as it was called. Is it better that type of conversation is largely gone, yes it is. Should a person be branded for life for doing insensitive things that they would have no idea would be thought of as insensitive decades later. No.



Leopords are not humans, people are redeemable. Of course be skeptical, especially about a politician.



Neeson's intent was horrific, the politicians I have no idea what they were thinking. If the things that occurred were more than a one-off but part of a pattern of bigotry it will come out.