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21 Mar 2019, 9:39 am

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anarchy (n):

1a) absence of government
1b) a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
1c) a utopian* society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

2a) absence or denial of any authority or established order
2b) absence of order / disorder

(*The paradox about utopian anarchy is that it cannot exist without controlled single-mindedness of its citizens.)
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21 Mar 2019, 9:40 am

Fnord wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Fnord wrote:
anarchy (n):

1a) absence of government
1b) a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
1c) a utopian* society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

2a) absence or denial of any authority or established order
2b) absence of order / disorder

(*The paradox about utopian anarchy is that it cannot exist without controlled single-mindedness of its citizens.)
[Paraphrased] "What's your point?"
Just contributing some meta-data to the discussion without taking sides.


Alrighty Mr. Lizard. :D



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21 Mar 2019, 9:54 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
Fnord wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Fnord wrote:
anarchy (n):

1a) absence of government
1b) a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
1c) a utopian* society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

2a) absence or denial of any authority or established order
2b) absence of order / disorder

(*The paradox about utopian anarchy is that it cannot exist without controlled single-mindedness of its citizens.)
[Paraphrased] "What's your point?"
Just contributing some meta-data to the discussion without taking sides.
Alrighty Mr. Lizard.
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21 Mar 2019, 6:52 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
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A peaceful anarchist, but still an anarchist. I hate our government. I have contempt for both the left and right, conservatives and liberals, Republicans and Democrats.

So yeah. :D


I hate this life system...
What does that make me? 8O

Suicidal? :lol:


Nope...
Not at this stage... :wink:

It makes me aloof or divorced from a system I despise and caused me to abdicate from humanity...
Well, I guess that makes me a Vulcan, now that I think about it... :mrgreen:


I'm notvdivorced yet, more like emotionally seperated. :lol:


Welcome dissociated brother... :mrgreen:



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23 Mar 2019, 8:55 am

I used to consider myself an anarchist, but considering the lack of success in forming a territory that actually lasts on that method of organization, along with how unlikely it would be to maintain itself amidst a world competing for power, I've come to think hierarchy would be inevitable wherever there are opposing interests or a need for people to adopt roles that involve specialized functions which many others depend on, and seeing that many hierarchies cover vast geographical areas and populations, thus making up states, any movement that aims to dismantle them would either have to evade their jurisdiction or rapidly gain momentum while ensuring it doesn't become what it fights. And even if they're based somewhere out of reach from authorities, that place will either be a mess, a middle of nowhere or both, and so if they haven't already become a cult, there won't be much reason to stick around unless they're in big trouble otherwise, and so if this movement is even going to mean anything they'll of course need to be serious challenge to the state, and that means making potentially divisive decisions, which won't carry much weight if it's just based on some horizontal voluntary participation council or some such arbitrary nonsense that can easily get twisted into mob rule.
If you look at Revolutionary Catalonia or the Ukrainian Free Territory, some of the few supposed examples of anarchism in action, people were drafted to go fight in wars, and political opponents were thrown in prison camps, that is if they weren't just shot.
And I don't say any of this with the idea that there are any state authorities that are truly legitimate, just those that are at best convenient to certain interests.



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31 Mar 2019, 8:39 pm

KomoDomo wrote:
people were drafted to go fight in wars

Where did you get this information from?

Militias were voluntary in Catalonia and The Free Territory.



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01 Apr 2019, 9:34 pm

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An anarchist, in its purest definition, is someone who doesn't believe in any sort of government, whatsoever.

Exaaactly! :P

People don't need corrupt leaders who feed them lies and treat them like sheep. Why should the common man risk his life and his sanity fighting in BS wars when the only people who truly benefit from them are the greedy corporations and the fat cat policians who start them and then lie to their countries about the REAL reasons why wars are being fought?

We dont need governments, we just need to learn to look out for ourselves and each other.


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02 Apr 2019, 9:48 pm

Anarchism is best served as a walk of personal faith and lived example.


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02 Apr 2019, 9:54 pm



I couldn't resist. :heart: :heart: :heart:


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02 Apr 2019, 10:16 pm

Fnord wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Fnord wrote:
anarchy (n):

1a) absence of government
1b) a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
1c) a utopian* society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

2a) absence or denial of any authority or established order
2b) absence of order / disorder

(*The paradox about utopian anarchy is that it cannot exist without controlled single-mindedness of its citizens.)
[Paraphrased] "What's your point?"
Just contributing some meta-data to the discussion without taking sides.


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentu ... ctionarium

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03 Apr 2019, 6:32 am

I too am an Anarchist albeit one of the mutualist/individualist variety. I believe in the sovereignty of the individual, his/her right to the full of product of their own labour, and the right of voluntary association which rests on the foundations of mutual benefit and reciprocity between one or more actors. In the grand scheme of things, the state is a roadblock or obstacle to finding ones own fulfillment in light and serves only to protect of the interests of capitalists and absentee landlords. Therefore, it must be abolished in its entirety.

With regards to property rights, I opt for the notion of occupancy and use. I also favour freed markets as well.


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04 Apr 2019, 9:37 am

Questions for anarchists regarding any kind of governmental collapse, which I assume you guys think about:

1) Do you have a bug out bag?

2) What is your food plan? Storing? Growing? Do you know how to hunt? What about water?

3) Will you try to engage in skills or items trade if you need to?

4) Would an urban (city), suburban (some houses), or straight out country/woods type environment be best for you specifically, if it came down to it?



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04 Apr 2019, 9:46 am

SocOfAutism wrote:
Questions for anarchists regarding any kind of governmental collapse, which I assume you guys think about:

1) Do you have a bug out bag?

2) What is your food plan? Storing? Growing? Do you know how to hunt? What about water?

3) Will you try to engage in skills or items trade if you need to?

4) Would an urban (city), suburban (some houses), or straight out country/woods type environment be best for you specifically, if it came down to it?


1) What is a "bug out bag"?

2) I know how to fish and grow food. And I'm sure hunting isn't that hard.

3) I would only focus on taking care of me and maybe my family. To hell with trading with others!

4) Country/Woods (duh) less people means less danger to me



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04 Apr 2019, 11:31 am

A bug out bag is a bag of emergency supplies that you can grab if like a fireball hits your house or whatever. It’s supposed to have like firestarting materials, a knife, a couple days rations for your family, yada yada. People plan them different ways. Some people have multiple ones. Like for example, I have a box in the back of my car with a dog bowl, a towel, and a change of clothes for my kid. That’s not a bug out box, but you get the idea.

I have never hunted but my father in law is a hunter. I’m sure it would be easier if you can already fish, but still, mammals can be pretty smart.

I started thinking about this kind of thing a few years ago when my house was without power for a week. I realized I’m in a city, so...kind of more of a problem. Harder to find water. Too many people.