Page 2 of 4 [ 58 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

DoTheTw1zt
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

Joined: 13 Oct 2019
Gender: Male
Posts: 230

16 Oct 2019, 3:13 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
DoTheTw1zt wrote:
I dont think the OP was being xenophobic, but I tend to think of a prejudice between different countries (esp ones of the same race) as "xenophobia". Like Japan and their prejudice attitudes towards other Asian countries like China and Korea.


Different places and eras have different concepts of 'race'. It'd be fair to call the prejudice some Japanese sometimes display to Korean and Chinese peoples as racist in the same way it would be fair to call the stereotypical prejudice that Anglo-American (and Aussie) 'WASPs' had towards 'wops' in the 1800s and 1900s, since the contemporary norm didn't consider southern Europeans to be 'white' even though nowadays that's no longer true.

Considering the prejudice in Japan you describe is also shown towards long settled immigrants from those backgrounds, it's really not the same as typical xenophobia. In this case it's understood that they're immersed, but they'll never be accepted as true citizens. It's more like white nationalists have in white majority countries where they view assimilated, long settled non-whites as still never able to fully be members of their nation.



Oh ok. :) Well I think there is a prejudice between countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and Europe that doesn't really have anything to do with race, just a difference in cultures.



funeralxempire
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 34,228
Location: Right over your left shoulder

16 Oct 2019, 3:32 pm

DoTheTw1zt wrote:
Oh ok. :) Well I think there is a prejudice between countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and Europe that doesn't really have anything to do with race, just a difference in cultures.


In this era since a lot of those people would consider themselves to be 'white people' I'd 100% agree.

BDavro wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
BDavro wrote:
The word racist has no meaning these days.

Everything is racist.
For something to be racist, I mean properly racist, there has to be intent, you have to hate or feel them inferior to the point of being sub-human.

Did you feel that?


This is a common trope people use to attempt to dismiss the concept of racism. I guess pretending it doesn't exist feels nice? :roll:



Not what I said.

Virtue signal much?


Well, I did express an opinion that you're clearly displeased with, which seems to be what's ultimately meant by that term. Got anymore thought terminating clichés to trot out? :lol:


_________________
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.


BDavro
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 May 2019
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,232

16 Oct 2019, 3:35 pm

No, I replied to the OP.

You jumped in with your trope chat and called me a racist in a roundabout way, adding a smiley doesn't change that and just makes you look even more passive aggressive.



funeralxempire
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 34,228
Location: Right over your left shoulder

16 Oct 2019, 3:40 pm

BDavro wrote:
No, I replied to the OP.

You jumped in with your trope chat and called me a racist in a roundabout way, adding a smiley doesn't change that and just makes you look even more passive aggressive.


I described the context in which that line of reasoning is usually dragged out. If that's not the meaning you intended to convey you have no need to meltdown on me, otherwise it comes off as though thou doth protest too much.


_________________
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.


BDavro
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 May 2019
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,232

16 Oct 2019, 3:42 pm

No, we all saw what you did.

I think you should just apologise to me and the OP, we will say no more about your outburst.



JohnPowell
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Feb 2016
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,806
Location: Palestine

16 Oct 2019, 3:45 pm

No, don't be ridiculous. There's an attempt to make out racism is everywhere and worse than any crime on earth.


_________________
"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"


funeralxempire
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 34,228
Location: Right over your left shoulder

16 Oct 2019, 3:47 pm

BDavro wrote:
No, we all saw what you did.

I think you should just apologise to me and the OP, we will say no more about your outburst.


My post is there, I stand by it and you aren't owed an apology. I explicitly accused you of trying to pretend racism doesn't exist, which is when the argument you used gets trotted out. If you feel wronged, feel free to report me. Your hurt feelings will never be my problem.


_________________
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.


Last edited by funeralxempire on 16 Oct 2019, 3:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.

BDavro
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 May 2019
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,232

16 Oct 2019, 3:49 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
BDavro wrote:
No, we all saw what you did.

I think you should just apologise to me and the OP, we will say no more about your outburst.


My post is there, I stand by it and you aren't owed an apology. If you feel wronged, feel free to report me. Your hurt feelings will never be my problem.


So my hurt feelings are just another casualty from your holy white knight crusade?



funeralxempire
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 34,228
Location: Right over your left shoulder

16 Oct 2019, 3:50 pm

BDavro wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
BDavro wrote:
No, we all saw what you did.

I think you should just apologise to me and the OP, we will say no more about your outburst.


My post is there, I stand by it and you aren't owed an apology. If you feel wronged, feel free to report me. Your hurt feelings will never be my problem.


So my hurt feelings are just another casualty from your holy white knight crusade?


I called a spade a spade and you declared jihad.


_________________
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.


BDavro
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 May 2019
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,232

16 Oct 2019, 3:53 pm

We are either trolling each other or flirting, frankly I don't care, I'm giggling like a girl.



BDavro
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 May 2019
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,232

16 Oct 2019, 3:57 pm

Also, reported you for your use of the racially charged term 'Spade'.



funeralxempire
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 34,228
Location: Right over your left shoulder

16 Oct 2019, 3:58 pm

BDavro wrote:
We are either trolling each other or flirting, frankly I don't care, I'm giggling like a girl.


I'm fine with moving on if you are. I'm sure OP is more concerned with how the concept of racism is relevant to her awkward interaction and not two people twice her age hijacking to bicker over their flippant comments.

Also, lol, good luck with that one. :lol:


_________________
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.


VegetableMan
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,208
Location: Illinois

16 Oct 2019, 3:59 pm

I understood what BDavro was saying. The race card is overplayed these days. It's the sad reality of the cancel culture. Context no longer matters. You've got to keep to PC speak, or you'll be trounced upon by the radical left.


_________________
What do you call a hot dog in a gangster suit?

Oscar Meyer Lansky


BDavro
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 May 2019
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,232

16 Oct 2019, 4:03 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
BDavro wrote:
We are either trolling each other or flirting, frankly I don't care, I'm giggling like a girl.


I'm fine with moving on if you are. I'm sure OP is more concerned with how the concept of racism is relevant to her awkward interaction and not two people twice her age hijacking to bicker over their flippant comments.

Also, lol, good luck with that one. :lol:


I thought you were just messing about and followed suit.

She wasn't racist in any form, I was just making that point.

I thought you were helping me make that point and played along.

Age is just a number like skin is just a colour, or are you being ageist?



funeralxempire
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 34,228
Location: Right over your left shoulder

16 Oct 2019, 4:23 pm

BDavro wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
BDavro wrote:
We are either trolling each other or flirting, frankly I don't care, I'm giggling like a girl.


I'm fine with moving on if you are. I'm sure OP is more concerned with how the concept of racism is relevant to her awkward interaction and not two people twice her age hijacking to bicker over their flippant comments.

Also, lol, good luck with that one. :lol:


I thought you were just messing about and followed suit.

She wasn't racist in any form, I was just making that point.

I thought you were helping me make that point and played along.

Age is just a number like skin is just a colour, or are you being ageist?


I was sincere when I said that insisting racism is a meaningless term is typically encountered as an argument by people trying to dismiss claims of folks being subjected to racism. Trotting that out in response endlessly is a good way for folks who agree with the sentiment to pretend it's true and just dismiss out of hands any experiences to the contrary. Whether or not that what you were intending is secondary, but if you sincerely believe it's true don't be surprised when others don't play along.

VegetableMan wrote:
I understood what BDavro was saying. The race card is overplayed these days. It's the sad reality of the cancel culture. Context no longer matters. You've got to keep to PC speak, or you'll be trounced upon by the radical left.


PC is an utterly useless term these days considering the people who whine about political correctness are often the ones demanding it (you're just not allowed to call "right wing ideologically correct speech" a form of PC or they meltdown over it). Political correctness depends on the audience, but most of the complaints seem to be coming from the same people who are no longer in control over defining what's considered correct anymore.


_________________
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.


BDavro
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 May 2019
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,232

16 Oct 2019, 4:26 pm

I thought we were making friendship and having a giggle at how the term is thrown around these days.