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17 Dec 2019, 4:21 pm

In 1937, Hitler said that “Christianity was ripe for destruction” and the churches “must yield to the primacy of the state.”

It’s true that Hitler was using religion to manipulate the people. I’m not sticking up for Christianity. I’m an atheist after all.

Sure, Christians looked down on nonChristians, but that’s pretty common in most religious faiths. Islam has hardly been immune to this.

It was also a tumultuous time period. People were looking for an idealistic answer which Nazism, rich in propaganda and empty promises, seemed to provide them with. I could be wrong, but I don’t think the average person knew what was going on in concentration camps.

In any case, I don’t think that such a huge number of Christians could be as easily persuaded today.


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17 Dec 2019, 5:10 pm

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In 1937, Hitler said that “Christianity was ripe for destruction” and the churches “must yield to the primacy of the state.”

It’s true that Hitler was using religion to manipulate the people. I’m not sticking up for Christianity. I’m an atheist after all.

Sure, Christians looked down on nonChristians, but that’s pretty common in most religious faiths. Islam has hardly been immune to this.

It was also a tumultuous time period. People were looking for an idealistic answer which Nazism, rich in propaganda and empty promises, seemed to provide them with. I could be wrong, but I don’t think the average person knew what was going on in concentration camps.

In any case, I don’t think that such a huge number of Christians could be as easily persuaded today.

I firmly believe that Hitler firmly believed himself to be a Christian!



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17 Dec 2019, 5:17 pm

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In 1937, Hitler said that “Christianity was ripe for destruction” and the churches “must yield to the primacy of the state.”

It’s true that Hitler was using religion to manipulate the people. I’m not sticking up for Christianity. I’m an atheist after all.

Sure, Christians looked down on nonChristians, but that’s pretty common in most religious faiths. Islam has hardly been immune to this.

It was also a tumultuous time period. People were looking for an idealistic answer which Nazism, rich in propaganda and empty promises, seemed to provide them with. I could be wrong, but I don’t think the average person knew what was going on in concentration camps.

In any case, I don’t think that such a huge number of Christians could be as easily persuaded today.

I firmly believe that Hitler firmly believed himself to be a Christian!


Why when the evidence suggests otherwise?


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17 Dec 2019, 5:29 pm

It doesn't matter if he went to Mass every day.

Many kings in medieval days went to Mass every day.

He came up with this crap against the Jews, and his minions carried out his genocide (against many more than merely the "Jews")

The Nazis seemed to have believed in some sort of "mysticism," much of which wasn't very Christian at all.



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17 Dec 2019, 5:43 pm

Came up with? Jew-hating in in Catholicism is pretty much as old as the church itself.


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17 Dec 2019, 6:04 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
In 1937, Hitler said that “Christianity was ripe for destruction” and the churches “must yield to the primacy of the state.”
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It was also a tumultuous time period. People were looking for an idealistic answer which Nazism, rich in propaganda and empty promises, seemed to provide them with. I could be wrong, but I don’t think the average person knew what was going on in concentration camps.


I believe it was considered an early version "fake news" and it persists today. Unfortunately.


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17 Dec 2019, 6:05 pm

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Came up with? Jew-hating in in Catholicism is pretty much as old as the church itself.


Perhaps exploited would be a better word.


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17 Dec 2019, 6:10 pm

"Jew-hating" amongst Christians, of course, dates from Judas himself.

What I meant-----was that he made use of many sources to come up with his conception of Jews.

Why would I think that "Jew-hating" started with Hitler?



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18 Dec 2019, 8:27 am

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"Jew-hating" amongst Christians, of course, dates from Judas himself.

What I meant-----was that he made use of many sources to come up with his conception of Jews.

Why would I think that "Jew-hating" started with Hitler?


The Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans all hated Jews.



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18 Dec 2019, 8:40 am

Metal Rat wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
"Jew-hating" amongst Christians, of course, dates from Judas himself.

What I meant-----was that he made use of many sources to come up with his conception of Jews.

Why would I think that "Jew-hating" started with Hitler?


The Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans all hated Jews.


As I mentioned in another post, this has a lot to do with tribalism and ethnocentrism. People tend to look at other groups as being inferior to their own. Hasidic Jews, for example, believe that they are God’s chosen people and the only ones who are going to make it (as do many strict religious groups).

I think that with education we’re slowly moving away from this link to our evolutionary past (although it’s still a problem in deeply troubled, war torn countries - especially in Islam). For early humans, being suspicious of another tribe was a good thing. They wanted to protect (or increase) their territory or resources from would-be invaders.

Anyway, prejudice against Jews became a cultural norm whether people were religious or not. Similarly, people were prejudiced against black people. While slave owners used the Bible to uphold and support their bigotry, it wasn’t the sole reason why people had slaves. It came down to money and power.

Financial concerns was a huge catalyst for Nazism. It rose in popularity when people were struggling due to the Great Depression and who were still feeling the effects and memories of WWI.


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21 Dec 2019, 8:43 pm

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Came up with? Jew-hating in in Catholicism is pretty much as old as the church itself.

The bizarre thing is, he said communism was a Jewish plot. I'm not sure if he came up with that idea but it would have been a relatively recent idea at the time.


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28 Dec 2019, 8:23 am

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Came up with? Jew-hating in in Catholicism is pretty much as old as the church itself.

The bizarre thing is, he said communism was a Jewish plot. I'm not sure if he came up with that idea but it would have been a relatively recent idea at the time.

Could it be that, in Hitler's mind, Nazism was revenge for Communism? He blamed the latter on The Jewish people.



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28 Dec 2019, 4:01 pm

According to the Islamic Sharia law:

• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.[3]

• A female heir inherits only half of what a male heir inherits.[3]

• A male convicted of rape can have his conviction dismissed by marrying his victim.[1]

• A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Quran 4:34 and Religion of Peace).[2][3]

• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.[1]

• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a wife needs her husband's consent to divorce.[3]

• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.[4]

• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.[4]

• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.[4]

• A woman can have only 1 husband, while men can have up to 4 wives.[3]

• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.[3]

• A women cannot study, cannot work, cannot even travel without male permission or a male guardian. [3]

• A woman or girl found guilty of adultery is punishable by death.[2]

• A woman or girl who alleges rape without producing 4 male witnesses is guilty of adultery.[3]

• A woman or girl who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).[1]

• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries 1/2 the weight of a man's.[3]

• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.[4]

• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death.[4]

• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.[4]

• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).[2]

• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal."

• Muslim men have sexual rights to any woman/girl not wearing the Hijab.[1][2]

• Muslims should engage in 'Taqiyya', which is lying to non-Muslims to advance and protect Islam.[4]

• Testimonies of 4 male witnesses are required to prove rape of a female (Quran 24:13).[1]

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands (Quran 5:38).[4]

Notes:

[1] Law that is attractive to rapists and pedophiles.
[2] Law that is attractive to incels and other losers.
[3] Law that is attractive to misogynists and other male supremacists.
[4] Law that is attractive to Islamo-Supremacists.


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28 Dec 2019, 4:12 pm

Fnord wrote:
According to the Islamic Sharia law:


...All of these are of course universal and timeless, bur remember that they're also a a solution for a specific problem at a specific time, but also that these are just taken out of context and you haven't studied Islam enough to understand it and Mohammed was the best person that ever existed and should be emulated in all things but he was a product of his time and needs to be understood as such except always and also you're just an islamophobe aren't you?


(also, "Sharia" is Arabic for "law". "Sharia law" is redundant)


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28 Dec 2019, 4:15 pm

I have a problem with any religion that requires women to wear head-coverings and/or treats them like second class citizens (or less).

It’s appalling.


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28 Dec 2019, 4:29 pm

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I have a problem with any religion that requires women to wear head-coverings and/or treats them like second class citizens (or less)...
Is being treated as "arm candy" equally appalling?

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