11 Nov 2020, 7:14 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
https://news.yahoo.com/officials-pennsylvania-postal-worker-admits-000042257.html
I'm starting to think Project Veritas has no respect for the truth.
Quote:
A postal worker in Erie, Pennsylvania, who claimed that a postmaster instructed workers to backdate ballots mailed after Election Day, has admitted to U.S. Postal Service investigators that he fabricated his story, three people with knowledge of the matter told The Washington Post on Tuesday.
Richard Hopkins signed an affidavit saying he heard the supervisor make the order, which was made public by the right-wing group Project Veritas. President Trump has refused to concede the election, claiming there was widespread voter fraud, and his campaign provided Hopkins' affidavit to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). Graham then sent a letter to the Department of Justice and FBI regarding the allegations, demanding they launch an investigation.
The Post reports that Hopkins was first interviewed on Friday, and on Sunday, he told investigators he made the whole thing up and signed an affidavit recanting his story. The House Oversight Committee tweeted on Tuesday evening that Hopkins did not explain why he made up the allegations. In a Facebook post, Rob Weisenbach, the postmaster in Erie, said Hopkins' claims were "100 percent false" and "made by an employee that was recently disciplined multiple times. The Erie Post Office did not backdate any ballots."
Richard Hopkins signed an affidavit saying he heard the supervisor make the order, which was made public by the right-wing group Project Veritas. President Trump has refused to concede the election, claiming there was widespread voter fraud, and his campaign provided Hopkins' affidavit to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). Graham then sent a letter to the Department of Justice and FBI regarding the allegations, demanding they launch an investigation.
The Post reports that Hopkins was first interviewed on Friday, and on Sunday, he told investigators he made the whole thing up and signed an affidavit recanting his story. The House Oversight Committee tweeted on Tuesday evening that Hopkins did not explain why he made up the allegations. In a Facebook post, Rob Weisenbach, the postmaster in Erie, said Hopkins' claims were "100 percent false" and "made by an employee that was recently disciplined multiple times. The Erie Post Office did not backdate any ballots."
I'm starting to think Project Veritas has no respect for the truth.
Unlike the left-wing media.
11 Nov 2020, 7:18 pm
Feyokien wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Philly’s Republican City Commissioner: No Dead People Voted in This City by Tori B. Powell, The Daily Beast, November 11, 2020.
Quote:
Philadelphia City Commissioner Al Schmidt, a Republican, shot down the Republican party’s baseless claims that massive voter fraud was behind President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in Pennsylvania. “I have seen the most fantastical things on social media, making completely ridiculous allegations that have no basis in fact at all,” Schmidt told CNN Wednesday. He said that an apparent list of dead voters who cast ballots in the 2020 presidential election, widely circulated by Trumpkins on social media, was completely untrue. His team investigated every single name on the list. “Not a single one of them voted in Philadelphia after they died,” he said.
Seems unlikely.
"In Michigan, for instance, 864 ballots were rejected during the primaries earlier this year because the voters died before the election"
"It takes time to update these voter rolls, and it’s incredibly hard to check to make sure every single voter is still living at the time votes are counted if their deaths haven’t been reported yet"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/did-dead-peo ... 39683.html
So, in Michigan, at least 864 dead people voted.
Yet, in Philadelphia not a single one ? Come on.
They're probably suggesting that people weren't already dead when they 'voted' (fraud) as opposed to people legally voted and then died. I wouldn't believe what you're suggesting either. Like so many things, they're probably 'framing' it so people don't misunderstand. I would think.
It is totally inconceivable that anyone in America would even *consider* voter fraud.
Absolutely preposterous. <irony>
11 Nov 2020, 7:22 pm
magz wrote:
What "the votes of the dead" are - from the article TRL linked:
Quote:
With close to 150 million voters casting ballots, and historic numbers voting early and absentee, it’s pretty much guaranteed that some people will have died between the time they voted and Election Day. But do those votes count? The answer varies by state.
Quote:
So it’s possible that some votes could get through, but not enough to have any major impact in deciding an election.
And there’s also no evidence of the kind of widespread election fraud that’s been alleged in some dark corners of social media — that thousands of votes are being cast by people who have been dead for decades.
And there’s also no evidence of the kind of widespread election fraud that’s been alleged in some dark corners of social media — that thousands of votes are being cast by people who have been dead for decades.
We have had voter fraud, involving dead people, here in Australia.
But we are wery bad convict descendant people, to be honest.
11 Nov 2020, 7:28 pm
11 Nov 2020, 7:31 pm
Brictoria wrote:
cberg wrote:
I don't find Australians supporting American fascism very respectful to the truth.
Curious: Trying to present the truth (as opposed to misinformation\lies) is seen as not being "respectful to the truth"...Seems a contradiction there somewhere.
Just because a person wants accurate information, (rather than misinformation\lies\etc.) available, in order to allow people to make informed choices\have an informed understanding of the facts doesn't mean they have to support either side under discussion (in fact, the more partisan a person is, the less likely they will be to present facts and the more they will likely use judgemental\loaded terms in discussion on a given topic).
Many of the children of post-modernism have put aside reason/logic/rationality, scientific-methodology, critical-thinking, I believe.
For many, it is all about *Feelings*.
11 Nov 2020, 7:32 pm
Well for starters a lot of you are dragging half of a country you demonstrably don't understand through the mud.
That would be the half that's not fixated on absolute power at any cost. I don't really see any understanding on your part of how dangerous the American right is.
I for one feel that your inclination to believe that we are emotionally bound socialist drones is pretty laughable. It's also a clear sign that you aren't willing to work on problems, that you will defer to the most belligerent political rhetoric you can.
In other words you demonstrate zero theory of mind.
_________________
"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
Last edited by cberg on 11 Nov 2020, 7:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
11 Nov 2020, 7:35 pm
We don't have police impunity anymore for a reason.
Feel free to wish it upon yourselves first.
_________________
"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
11 Nov 2020, 7:48 pm
11 Nov 2020, 8:12 pm
11 Nov 2020, 8:12 pm
Call it what it is if you lean authoritarian.
_________________
"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
11 Nov 2020, 8:23 pm
11 Nov 2020, 8:47 pm
11 Nov 2020, 9:32 pm
Jiheisho wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
As far as I am aware, all I have done is point out factual (with sources to allow verification) information (as opposed to\in order to correct misinformation\lies which had been presented as true), or indicate the legal\constitutional processes which are required to be followed, but which people are ignoring because the media (or others) are telling them what they wish to believe - Nothing involved in this is telling people how they should be goverened (forcibly or otherwise).
No you haven't. You clearly have an agenda and have been cherry picking information to suit that. For example, you state that "people other than the witness" stated Hopkins recanted, but you did not state those people were inspectors from the USPS Office of the Inspector General. That is disingenuous as most of your rhetorical games are.
I have not been at WP for very long, but you have not shown yourself to honest broker. You have a clear agenda and pursue it for your own gratification.
Quite frankly I hope Brictoria is on the right watch lists.
He sure doesn't seem to know how much privacy he is asking to give up to Trump.
_________________
"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
11 Nov 2020, 9:35 pm
Brictoria wrote:
cberg wrote:
Well for starters a lot of you are dragging half of a country you demonstrably don't understand through the mud.
That would be the half that's not fixated on absolute power at any cost.
That would be the half that's not fixated on absolute power at any cost.
Would that be the half who for the past 4 years had been complaining that the currecnt president was "not their president", and working to undermine\impeach\remove him, and continually derided his supporters (the other half of the country)?
cberg wrote:
I don't really see any understanding on your part of how dangerous the American right is.
It would help if you could clarify whether you feel that the "danger" comes from the right (as a whole), or some smaller component (with approximate size), in order to evaluate the claim regarding the danger they present, along with an explanation of the "danger" you believe they present. Without that, it is difficult to assess whether this is a fact based claim, or a subjective evaluation...
cberg wrote:
I for one feel that your inclination to believe that we are emotionally bound socialist drones is pretty laughable. It's also a clear sign that you aren't willing to work on problems, that you will defer to the most belligerent political rhetoric you can.
In other words you demonstrate zero theory of mind.
In other words you demonstrate zero theory of mind.
Would you have any evidence to support this attack on people's integrity, or is it because they don't blindly believe what you wish them to believe tham makes you assume they "believe that we are emotionally bound socialist drones", "aren't willing to work on problems", and "will defer to the most belligerent political rhetoric you can"?
Excuse me, do Australians worship their political leaders? It's called a free country for a reason. I don't really need to attack your integrity when you're ignoring 4 million voters well within their rights.
_________________
"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
11 Nov 2020, 9:39 pm
Telling us we can't protest = you're a national security issue for us.
WTF kind of suck up spineless populace do you think we have here? We are not the "apprentices".
_________________
"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
funeralxempire
Veteran
Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 34,202
Location: Right over your left shoulder
14 Nov 2020, 9:23 pm
