Why are rural people conservatives?

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It has to do with what they pick up in society and boys young as age 3 learn misogynistic views. They pick up on it because it's around us. They even learn that boys don't cry and crying is a weakness. They also pick up on feelings is a weakness so they must be strong and not ever express them and show them, that is a weakness.

When I was growing up, my mom dad was always working and my mom often stayed home and took care of us so she did lot of the cooking and cleaning. Then there was me cleaning the house so my brothers picked up on "keeping the house clean is a girl's job" and men do the hard labor outside and that was something my dad always did.

So as they got older, they refused to do chores and then were complaining I had money and they didn't and my mom told me "that is because she does chores and earns money" and they started to do hard work outside with my dad and get money that way. This affected my youngest in his relationship because of views he had about women but he is working on it I hear.

So my brothers picked up on it because it was modeled to them. I often hear stories online by women who have men who won't clean and they are just lazy and even women defend it because their reason is "he works all the time, do you work?" Plus I also see women saying online they want a guy who will work and they stay at home. There are women who have these sexist views as well.

Yes even women can also have misogynistic views because it's normalized in our society. These women just accept it because it's normal to them. They don't challenge it. But if both partners worked full time, who is going to clean the house? The house won't clean itself.

Even my dad has been doing better with his sexism about women.

Because if you study something humanities related, it exposes you not necessarily to different political povs but to different povs for eg of poc or women. And it's all pretty leftist actually so doesn't necessarily expose left wing students to new ideas politically but does do as far as right wing students are concerned.

It also gets you to think about things from other people's povs and experiences. Not just one standard one coming from cis het white people.

This is actually my experience - I was pretty right wing before uni (as an 18 yo) but at uni I was forced to do some kind of 'id pol' reading (before sjws existed) no matter which modules I took. It was English literature and I mostly read pre-20th century stuff. I'm left wing now.

Also, being a business person doesn't require a degree. Being a politician doesn't require a degree (and being a successful politician relies a lot on populism). Being a celeb certainly doesn't require even intelligence lol.

I'm not sure where the notion that being a business person requires a degree comes from? I've read it a few times on here. Of course you need to be smart. But an Objectivist (Ayn Rand) perspective is what's likely to emerge from a life of not going to uni to study humanities, living on your own business wits, making a profit and hoping to avoid high taxes.

Being a business person is usually more successful if you're not a bigot but some businesses thrive off bigotry. The guy who owns A&F would rather throw away his clothes than give them to the homeless and refuses to make plus size clothing out of 'principle' of 'well fatties aren't good looking enough for my clothes' rather than just out of ease. This helps him in a business where he's appealing to elitist type people who care a lot about looks and wealth and being the 'best'.

If he owned Pizza Hut or something and expressed similar sentiments, his profits would go down to it's not useful to do that and would actually harm the brand. That's what leads to a lot of 'woke advertising' - appeal to as broad a crowd as possible by having lgbt people and poc in ads.

If a man and woman work in a shop/office, they are 'equal'. Equal in terms of talent (everyone has inherent value).

If a cis man and cis woman work in a job that requires physical labour, he is 'superior'. Physically.

If a cis man and cis woman try to have a baby, she'll be the only one that gets pregnant.

More shops and offices in towns. Less physical labour. Esp nowadays, in the age where a lot of factory work isn't done by hand.

A country woman is likely stronger than an urban man unless the urban guy goes to the gym, though. Because if a woman works on a farm, she'll still be building muscle etc just not at the rate her husband does.

And benevolent sexism is within the home. Even negative sexism is in the abusive home. Hard to be the one who stands up to dad when he tells you 'cooking is women's work'.

Oh okay. Maybe that's why a lot of blue collar workers seem angry and ticked off at everyone and the world, because it's not that they are uneducated, it's that they are not smart to do something different?

There is another factor that no one seems to have addressed: Rural people are conservative because they have to be; and by "Conservative", I mean someone who is financially thrifty, generally law-abiding, not prone to taking personal risks, well-organized, and generally not dependent upon social welfare programs or "hand-outs".

(I am thinking of all the rural farmers that I've known or worked with.)

On a farm (especially in the "Old Days"), men performed most of the out-door labor because physical strength was needed; while women performed most of the in-door labor because that's where the children were.  Of course, children would grow up and gravitate toward the types of labor most suited to them -- boys slung bales and handled the grunt work, while women kept the young-uns and men-folk fed, while also gathering foodstuffs from the garden, coop, orchard, and milk-barn.

Farms were mostly self-sufficient, like little countries unto their own. This was a system that simply worked for the rural farmer, and no one saw any need for change.

Also, sending a kid off to college to be something other than a farmer, veterinarian, people-doctor, or some other farm-oriented profession was considered wasteful and "uppity" -- a child lost to a non-farm profession meant that the farm might not last long enough to hand down to the grand-children.  Family labor was cheap!

So to keep the farm productive and in the family, education and labor were focused on agriculture and animal husbandry, with religion providing the inspiration and guidance to retain that focus.

Is this kind of Conservatism bad?  Is it good?  As long as it puts food on everybody's table, and does not cause injury to others, there is no need to fix what ain't broke.

I wouldn't generalise every rural person as being colourist and authoritarian. IMO, the mainstream Liberal and Conservative parties are more authoritarian because they want government in everyone's business whilst left and right libertarians hate the government. I've seen colourist people from the cities as well. Some would generalise every Hispanic, Latino or Jewish person as non-white, yet the majority of Latinos and Hispanics have European ancestry, and the majority of Jews are either Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews, which is mainly in Europe (East Europe for Ashkenazis and Southern Europe and North Africa for Sephardic Jews), which is white (exception of the Southern part of North Africa). I've also seen some people want white people dead in the cities, but also I've seen rural folks want black people dead too, so both can be colourist. Also, some countries MSM really hate the rural folks, calling them p!k!es in the UK and Ireland, bog@ns in Australia, or h0s3rs in Canada, and h!cks, r3dn3cks, and h!llb!ll!es in the USA. I've also seen discontent on the Mainstream media about what they call "middle America" as in not Central America, but Middle USA. They've called every place not on the coasts or the Atlantic or Pacific ocean sh!tholes, while at the same people get offended by Sweet Potato calling the undeveloped world and the developing world sh!tholes. I'm not defending sweet potato,nor do I think any place in Latin America, Parts of Oceania, Southeast Asia, South Asia, Central Asia, West Asia or Africa are sh!tholes, because any place in the world can become a sh!thole, but I hope anybody can see the hypocrisy in them getting angry at sweet potato calling the developing and undeveloped world sh!tholes, while getting angry and calling the American Mountain West, Southwest, Midwest, and Southeast state sh!tholes? Anyways, most can be crazy and paranoid about people taking away their guns, so if anyone else messes with them, they'll get their shotguns out. Some are as cool as growing marijuana in the rural areas though . I prefer living in a ruralish area (not too isolated, but a small town, village or unincorporated town near a micropolitan or metropolitan area would be nice in case I need to go to a hospital lmao. I've also hear ignoramuses talk about how people from Iowa smell bad or people from Kentucky look gross yet they've never been there? Like how the hell do you know what people from those areas are if you haven't even met anybody from there nor have you've stepped foot in the state before. I've got relatives from all over Middle America and I can tell you that if you go somewhere like Minnesota or Mississippi, you won't be disappointed! I've met people from both areas, and I can say they're some of the nicest people you can meet. California is the poverty capital of the world yet people are convinced that Mississippi is, but I've researched that the cost of living adjusted poverty rate puts California around 23% one year! Sorry I'm not answering the question, but more people are conservative there because the Republican party usually has issues that they care about in rural areas: guns, bible, and America. That's their words not mine. I call large cities cesspools jokingly, but I cannot stand cities. I live in a really small town of only 1,500 people, and I'm going to move to a different state one day with a small town around that or an unincorporated area. Please don't generalise all of us though! I hate the government, but I cannot stand the death penalty and I'm pro-choice unless it's the third trimester. Also, don't think that educated means more intelligent, because there's different types of education! Middle America has just as much of a high school graduation rate as the coastal areas do too. Some very book smart people can lack common sense and vice versa. Also, some people that get into schools or degrees aren't really smart book smart wise, trust me. Some cheat their way into school, or get high test scores, but their grades are poor, or they get spoon fed.

I'd say the opposite. Lack of a post-school, humanities education PLUS lack of knowing people irl with vastly different experiences leads to lack of understanding of such people. Then they 'educate' themselves by reading racist tabloid newspapers & get scared of cities, minorities etc.

There's many different types of smart. Someone with a STEM degree knows the right answers to hard problems. Someone with a business has a good business brain. Someone who's very NT and extroverted has good people skills. A farmer knows all sorts about the land that us in the cities don't know. It's important to not dismiss people just because of lack of a degree or because of the type of degree they have.

It's also important not to generalise too much over this, esp in England and America. Uni education isn't free. There are occasional people who are smart, academic and self-driven who will study up on things like this (reading about history or geography or great works of literature) on their own just by reading and who still can't afford to get themselves into debt at uni. Cycle of poverty exists - it's easier for me to get a degree cos my parents are middle class and could afford it.

Blue collar/working class workers exist as much in the city as in the countryside, too. Inner city people are likely to know people from other countries/of other ethnicities and out lgbt people. That dispels the propaganda more than just a humanities degree can do.

I think as long as we stop them going down the 'alt right pipeline', the internet in general will shift people less conservative. Mostly apolitical types who don't spend all their time talking politics and engaging in cringe (right wing) or cancel (left wing) culture. We talk to people all over the world every day now - hard to be a bigot in such circumstances. For eg it's hard to go on WP and think all Yanks are fat loud mouths or all Brits are pompous gits with bad teeth when we speak to each other as individuals so much. It's like the opposite of a village.

Blue collar work often pays better than jobs that require a degree so many don't really look for other work. From the field I work in £40000 a year is the norm. I think a lot of blue collar workers are grumpy because the culture surrounding blue collar work is absolute trash most of the time. I'm a blue collar worker myself and the mentality of "work hard, party harder" seems to be the norm and over time it grinds you down being surrounded by people in such a place. If it's not drink then it's drugs, gambling, tobacco or endlessly chasing women. To fund that type of lifestyle they usually badger people into doing 60 hour weeks alongside them.

When you work a blue collar job doing 60 hour weeks for years I think a lot of people just can't be bothered to behave or have any manners for that matter or really think about much else. It's not like they will be judged for their opinions by their workmates if half the workforce are high or drunk anyway but this is the same inside or outside the country.

If someone is truly rural then I think the isolation from others and learning from their parents is what causes more conservative views.

If blue collar work pays more than why do people bother become lawyers for example, when they can just be a manufacturer?

I worked in a blue collar environment as well for a lot of years and it was the same thing. They were into drugs and one of them was even arrested on the spot by police for something, who came looking for him with a warrant. Who knows what.

But is it because a lot of them may be ex-cons perhaps?

Some people want a 'job' not a 'career'. Their free time is their own and they're doing something concrete at work.

Some people want a career in an area that they find interesting or important.

Not everyone with a degree finds work, esp humanities and arts degrees which aren't vocational but are academic. Some end up back doing 'blue collar' work again.

This pretty much describes the Scottish migrants who were renowned for being conservative scrooges.

A lot of people are blinkered to how much blue collar workers are actually paid. Back in school college and university blue collar work was rarely mentioned. Academia in their eyes was the only way to secure a well paying job.

I think it's just the terrible workplace mentality and often excessive hours that grinds people in blue collar down. It gets to the point where your filter just dissappears and you don't care anymore. Criminal records are not really much of an issue I noticed.

Like the OP said, it is the case really for every nation.

Examples:

Erdogan in Turkey won because of rural demographics.

The Iranian theocracy regime is strong because of rural demographics.

Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is stronger in rural areas.

Such miseries come from rural demographics it seems.

There's also the phenomenon of "urban areas with heavy population originally from rural areas", these people aren't often more open-minded than rural demos.

The Iranian city of Qom for example is originally consisting of many villages, while Tehran was always historically a city.


Quick visual comparison between "Qom" and "Tehran".

https://www.google.com/search?q=Qom+wom ... 3&bih=1041

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tehran+ ... 1&biw=2133

Most people who aren't Conservative don't understand anything about Conservatism. For that many, many Conservatives don't understand it much, either.

Many people think of Conservatism as some set of positions -- if they are in favor, they are Conservative and if they are opposed, they are leftist (the term Liberal has been adopted by the left and is very different than what it once was -- I refuse to use it to refer to the left).

In reality, Conservatism is more of a way of looking at the world -- a way in which one is happy with the social order and one's position in the social order. It is a view that appreciates the great institutions of life -- mostly, but not entirely, religion and government. It is a view of distrusting change and of desiring change, if needed at all, to be slow and deliberate. Conservatives don't want to tear down things and build something completely different -- anyone does that is a radical.

While Conservatives support the government, they do not generally want a large government. Large government means that there is a much greater chance that it will change the social order.

You might think that it would just be the people at the top who would want to preserve the social order, but in a small town, it is often true from the bottom to the top. Even if you are near the bottom in the rural social strata, you know and understand your place in the world and probably have greater influence than you might imagine. That is something worth keeping.

I can see why those in the cities aren't so Conservative. If you are not sufficiently high in the social order, you become practically invisible as you are just another one lost in the crowd. That doesn't happen so much in rural areas.

For example, if you live in a big city and have an issue with your sewer, you are unlikely to know the plumber who comes to fix it. You just call a number and someone shows up. When he finished, you'll probably never see him again. In my area, we have generally known the plumber for years. While you and the plumber may run in completely different circles, you still know the plumber and his reputation and value his opinion.

If you live in a big city, do you know whoever picks up your garbage? In my town, I not only know them, I've known them for years. They know that if they need my help with anything, they just have to ask for help. More often, I'll see them struggling with loading trash and will go out and help them with it without being asked.

If you have a Conservative way of looking at the world, Conservative positions tend to come to you naturally. As for Trump, he is not a Conservative and never has been. No matter what Conservative positions he may claim as his own, they do not come from his way of looking at the world. It is just something he adopted to satisfy his cult.

But in my blue collar jobs in the past, I wasn't paid as much, so I don't understand how they could make more compared to a lawyer or doctor for example, if that's the case a lot of blue collar jobs?

Also, in my current job I work is an office job, where we work in the school division, and they really put you through the ringer with a criminal record check, in this job when starting. However, the environment is much nice compared to blue collar workers. So therefore, if they to do ringer criminal background checks the same way on blue collar factory workers, would there be a less hostile work environment therefore, because they are not hiring 'thugs'? I don't mind using that word necessarily since a lot of them choose to behave that way, but is it safe to assume that if you do not do criminal background checks through the ringer, that you will get more 'thugs', in the workplace?

Depends on what blue collar job it is. The trades often pay very well. Metal fabrication, welding, electrical work, pipe work and you also seem to get paid more for the crappier environment.

As for criminal record checks I think it will make little difference. I think the terrible workplace environment just comes from being paid by the hour and working almost entirely around men in general. When you combine it with substance abuse habits that need funding you need to be prepared for inhumane hours.

Office jobs are very different. They're often salary paid instead of by the hour and the proportion of women is much higher. I noticed women have a preference to at least trying to maintain a sensible work life balance and if you have a few of them in an office then the others will usually follow suit.