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23 Aug 2007, 2:33 am

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I know about the spirit world; you don't.

I wonder how can you know about it

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I think it's demons because I'm thoroughly educated about them.
You're absolutley sure it's not demons, based on your ignorance of demons. :roll:

I think I didn't get this right, you actually think that this problem points a lot more to "demons" than anything else, or you are just considering it?

I believe a few people here might don't share your belief in demons?

Ignorance on demons? lol
I suppose you might be right, someone can be "ignorant" about demons, just the same way as someone else can be a total ignorant about greek mythologies or harry potter or star wars, etc.


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23 Aug 2007, 9:09 am

I'd me much more concerned about schizophrenia, as delusions and hallucinations are common symptoms, and such symptoms tend to emerge during late adolescences/early adulthood. That there's an uncle with similar symptoms indicates a possible family history. Professional psychological help would be very strongly advised.



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23 Aug 2007, 9:40 am

This could be related to ASD. Is it persistent? That means has it been constant for more than 6 months without going in an out of episodes. Before you think schizophrenia there are many other possibilities. Being 16, I would ask him when this all started happening.

Really the idea of possession should be your last thing on your mind. A supernatural theme within delusions is extremely common, ranging from Bi-Polar to Schizophrenia to sub clinical every day superstitions. Any kind of religious intervention would likely make him worse because it is supporting the delusion, and could be mentally and physically traumatic.

I would get him seen by a doctor. From what I’m told he hasn’t been told to do things in his delusions? He isn’t fighting control over himself or unusually paranoid?



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23 Aug 2007, 11:22 am

LOL



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23 Aug 2007, 7:40 pm

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Before going to the conclusion or thinking about supernatural beings or demons or anything like that, even if you sort of believe in that stuff, the first thing is to think of possible natural explanations instead of first thinking of the other stuff.

Given that the person who experience this is on the spectrum, very likely is a thing related to the brain more than a paranormal thing.

For a possible explanation I could think of Synesthesia perhaps, or something similar, I believe the best thing to do is to see a doctor and do some tests probably, to see if he has condition in his brain that is affecting the senses.



yay, some common sense in this thread...finally.



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23 Aug 2007, 10:05 pm

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24 Aug 2007, 7:39 pm

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skafather84 wrote:
and i tried to keep my post neutral.
:lol: You're really rather close-minded, you know. And I never said it "must be" demons, I said, given the evidence the OP has cited, it probably is. I know about the spirit world; you don't. So, go on, keep dismissing that of which you know nothing.

Honestly, the anti-Christian posters in this thread are so full of arrogance, they can't even suspend their bias for a thread about helping a troubled 16-year-old. Not surprised though -- antichristic speech means everything to them.

I think it's demons because I'm thoroughly educated about them.
You're absolutley sure it's not demons, based on your ignorance of demons. :roll:
(What's so damn funny about that is that they're influencing you RIGHT NOW! I wouldn't be laughing if you weren't so stubbornly beyond help.)


DUDE you are totally lost. Who are you to call someone closed minded to begin with? And to call someone arrogant? Before you go around accusing people take a look in the mirror, you've got to be the most ignorant, arrogant person on this forum. Also, I thought I might want to ad that it's not very Christian of you to swear ("What's so damn funny.....")



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29 Aug 2007, 8:42 am

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I am not sure this is the place to bring up this topic, but here goes. My 16 yo aspie son is telling me he sees entities, energies,or beings all around all of us everyday. Now I don't want to dispute this (I don't know what's out there, do you?), but it is very disconcerting to find that he believes these are demons and that he prefers Satan. I am afraid for him and don't know if his brain is processing on a different level and he can see the energy that is exerted by everyday occurances (movement, feelings, etc.) or if he is having sensory hallucinations.

Either way, how do I get through to him that life at 16 is terrible and that it does get better. That he needs to open his mind and look at all the possibilities.

Any help, suggestions or opinions would be greatly appreciated.


Here is what I would do. Disconnect the associators and descriptors. Introduce the histories and origins of terms. Are you aware of the origins of the term "satan"? Is he?

Example-
term=terminant=terminate=end=conclusion. as in a term is the outcome of our mental processing, it is one of the things beliefs are based on, logical conclusions.

satan=shaitan=islamic history=Shayṭān (شيطان, from the root šṭn شطن) is a noun and an adjective as well. As a noun and as an adjective it means "the adversary" or "the enemy" or "the opponent" and just as an adjective it means "evil". This can be applied to both Human ("al-Ins", الإنس) and Jinn ("al-Jinn", الجن). <---compliments of wikipedia.

Also, considering that he is reflecting in a spiritual sense, you may want to suggest how beliefs can shape and form spiritual anomalies, as in a quija board or a seance. Have you noticed that when one focuses their energies on an idea that it becomes more apparent? An example would be believing that a place is haunted and based on that one experiences various anomalous activities.

So that you are aware I am not "certified" to give advice as it related to this circumstance, though I do hope that it proves useful.


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29 Aug 2007, 10:07 am

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Also, considering that he is reflecting in a spiritual sense, you may want to suggest how beliefs can shape and form spiritual anomalies, as in a quija board or a seance. Have you noticed that when one focuses their energies on an idea that it becomes more apparent? An example would be believing that a place is haunted and based on that one experiences various anomalous activities.



Thank you, and yes I am very aware and open to all the possibilities that could be associated with his "sightings". Most of the occult and various religions(fanaticism) are more appealing to adolescents for exactly that reason.

I will use your use your use of origins, it is a good idea. Hopefully, I will know more next week after our visit with his psychologist. (He won't tell me the whole story, until we're there since he doesn't want to repeat it more than once). Typical Aspie!! !

Thanks again,
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09 Sep 2007, 5:22 pm

[quote="skafather84

second, you can't see energies. no one can, no matter what the wiring of the brain. if his eyes are messed up or someway different, that's something else. but if his sight is normal, he's either playing pretend or hallucinating.


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Yes you can, Ive seen one, and I know many other people who have.
These "energies" can manifest physical forms by using energy in the heat in the air, slowing it down and reforming it appear however they want, thats why it feels cold in thier presence.

They can appear to some and not others at thier chosing.
Quite how I do not know, maybe they are on a wavelenght that is undetectable to the human eye but that they can change at will to a lenght that is decernable.

Just because you have not experienced something it doesnt mean you can speak for the rest of mankind.



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09 Sep 2007, 5:46 pm

i have a hard time believeing in what i cant see, but that doesnt mean its not there. an example would be: i cant see the wind but shurly its there


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09 Sep 2007, 6:15 pm

I'm guessing that he's coming into
his power. The question is whether
you want to help him through this,
or try and make him deny it.

Humans don't have an easy time
believing what is impossible.



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09 Sep 2007, 6:31 pm

Nambo wrote:
skafather84 wrote:

second, you can't see energies. no one can, no matter what the wiring of the brain. if his eyes are messed up or someway different, that's something else. but if his sight is normal, he's either playing pretend or hallucinating.


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Yes you can, Ive seen one, and I know many other people who have.
These "energies" can manifest physical forms by using energy in the heat in the air, slowing it down and reforming it appear however they want, thats why it feels cold in thier presence.

They can appear to some and not others at thier chosing.
Quite how I do not know, maybe they are on a wavelenght that is undetectable to the human eye but that they can change at will to a lenght that is decernable.

Just because you have not experienced something it doesnt mean you can speak for the rest of mankind.




the randi foundation is always looking for those who have extra sensory perception. they offer a million dollars to anyone who can actually prove it.


they've yet to find anyone. i'll trust that as a pretty solid sign that there is no such thing.



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09 Sep 2007, 6:53 pm

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the randi foundation is always looking for those who have extra sensory perception. they offer a million dollars to anyone who can actually prove it.


they've yet to find anyone. i'll trust that as a pretty solid sign that there is no such thing.


See, they're using methods of the common perception
though. There are things outside of reality.



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09 Sep 2007, 7:00 pm

calandale wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
the randi foundation is always looking for those who have extra sensory perception. they offer a million dollars to anyone who can actually prove it.


they've yet to find anyone. i'll trust that as a pretty solid sign that there is no such thing.


See, they're using methods of the common perception
though. There are things outside of reality.



you can believe in magical powers all you want but it doesn't make them real.



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09 Sep 2007, 7:05 pm

Are there "things" beyond this reality? Maybe. But as long as we are in this reality this will be the only reality we witness. Energies of all sorts are part of this reality, so yes it is possible for them to be seen. Some of the words a few pages back just make me want to vomit though. :roll: