my problems with islam

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Dear Richard,
I mean this with the greatest sympathy.

You don't seem very intelligent. Your reasoning sucks. But God still loves you and I wouldn't mistreat you for it.

Richard,

Muslims do not consider the angel Gabriel to be the Holy Spirit. The website you are reading is not factual. I checked the quotes on the website against my copy of the Qur'an and found that they are completely different and in some cases, do not even exist.

I would suggest you be very cautious of what you read online. Anybody can create a webpage and write whatever they want.

For information on Islam, I might suggest you start with http://www.religioustolerance.org/

Yes, the Holy Spirit is a Christian concept. Muslims regard the Angel Gabriel as an angel. A closer analogy would be to the Angel Moroni in the various LDS traditions.

OK so the angel gabriel isnt the holy spirit. alright. but i had another question, who replaced jesus off of the cross?

Muslims have various views on that subject. Some just believe that it was a person whose name is lost to history.

god doesnt make mistakes i think. i guess its fair to say well all religions are the same. etc..

but when i watch the tv about haunted places and they bring a priest in, does the priest say in any other authoritive name other than jesus? and it appears for the most part of whatever was in that house leaves or obeys

for instance. i dont see a preist going into a house saying, allah tells you to leave this house!
or buddah tells you to leave this house

do you see what im saying?

i think exorcisims are real. and if they only obey to one name than what am i to believe?

Read Mark 5:1-19.

Richard,

I don't understand what you mean by, "who replaced Jesus off the cross". Are you asking about Simon of Cyrene, who was forced to carry the cross for Jesus? Otherwise, I don't know what you mean by "replaced"?

As for exorcisms on TV. Keep in mind, it's TV. Therefore, it's not an authoritative source of information. Moreover, it's American TV which plays to an 80% Christian audience. If you were watching TV in Morocco or any other predominately Islamic country, then they would say, "Allah commands you...."

I read Mark 5:1-19, but I'm not sure how you see that as pertinent to your questions.

I don't think there are many (if any) muslims here.

I know I have an anti-muslim bias (no secret ), but Islam says there is one God only and as I understand Muslims have a difficult time coming to grips with the idea of the Christian Holy Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Ghost) and think Christians worship 3 Gods and call us "polytheists" and think we are all damned to hell because of it.

Therefore I don't think Muslims would be open to the idea of Gabriel being regarded as a "Holy Spirit".

That is because there was an unusual Christian sect in 7th-century Arabia which taught the existence of three gods: the Faither, the Son, and Virgin Mary. Presumably, Muhammad was referring to them.

Richard,

I know that in Islam, there are Jinn (Genies or spirits) and some people believe that they can possess a person's body.

>> Wikipedia talks about Exorcism in Islam << and says that their scriptures are recited to drive the Jinn out of the person's body. Seems similar to Christianity - both use the word or the power of God. I think it varies from place to place to place on what they believe, just as it does with Christianity.

Don't take any offence or anything (nothing personal), but God hates journalists and those who who insult others after prefacing it with a throw away comment like, "with the greatest sympathy". Its also against the rules to make personal attacks (including ridicule and personal insults), a**hole.

richardbenson wrote

"thats good. thank you

i want a muslim to answer me

1. why the angel gabriel is the holy spirit
2. who replaced jesus on the cross

thank you"


I'm not Muslim however I know Muslims, know about the religion and as a religion major who has studied Islam as well as other religions through ligitimate, sources not just random websites which do not count as legitament research (no insult meant here but the internet is nortoriously unreliable especially when it comes to religion as everyone and their brother posts their opinions there, most without any evidence) I think I'm qualified to answer this. Gabriel is an angel in Islam just as in Christianity and Judaism, further he has the same purpose as God's chief Messenger. As he is a Messenger of God he is holy and he is a spirit because he belongs to the spiritual world. He is not the Holy Spirit of Christianity because Islam like Judaism views God as one therefore does not have the Trinity as part of its theology. No one replaced Jesus on the cross in Islam. Muslim's do not believe Jesus was the son of God, nor do the Jews, This is a purely Christian belief. The Muslims do believe in Jesus (in Arabic his name id Isa) they believe that he is a prophet, one of the few prophets who was also a messenger (not the same as angel in this case it means that he recieved a book from God and thus brought a message to the earth ie the Gosples). They believe Mary was a virgin when she consived and bore him and that he did die on the cross.

And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the messenger of God; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Jesus) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. Nay! God took him up to Himself; and God is Mighty, Wise.

—Qur'an, [Qur'an 4:157]

no other spirits that i can see obey the name of jesus. for instance, when a house is possesed or for that matter a person is they dont say "come out in the name of yadda yadda yadda" they only use one name

An alternative interpretation of this verse, though not one common among Muslims, is that Muhammad was, in effect, saying, "You thought you killed Jesus. In fact, you destroyed only his body. His spirit was immortal."