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16 Jan 2008, 4:20 pm

Iran is a beautiful, and relatively prosperous Middle Eastern country. It's only really the leaders and indoctrination which presents the problems. Same can be said for the USA.

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16 Jan 2008, 4:35 pm

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Iran is a beautiful, and relatively prosperous Middle Eastern country. It's only really the leaders and indoctrination which presents the problems. Same can be said for the USA.

Hyperbole.

It is nowhere near the level of the US. The U.S. is not bombing certain regions of the U.S. to remove ethnic minorities who've lived there for ages...as least not since the 1800s, haha.

They are not actively shutting out other political parties from holding office, arresting politicians or alienating them to different regions under house arrest. They do not mandate that you be a part of a religious group/majority to be able to participate in government.

The U.S. does not have a band of thugs that go around beating/killing citizens that dissent. They will not shut down campuses and arrest the students because of their political/religious affiliation.

The U.S. does not outright declare that it will destroy another country. The U.S. legal/prison system is not even close to being as bad as Iran.

What do they both have in common? They suck at politicking.

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16 Jan 2008, 6:19 pm

Do Iranians and other Middle Eastern Countries show their people pictures of the ghettos in America? Like SE DC, that place is a s**t hole same as Baltimore. Baltimore is just one big s**t hole. It's all propaganda. Western news tend to show the dirtiest place in Middle Eastern countries, never the nice places.

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16 Jan 2008, 7:05 pm

Sifr wrote:

Anubis wrote:

Iran is a beautiful, and relatively prosperous Middle Eastern country. It's only really the leaders and indoctrination which presents the problems. Same can be said for the USA.

Wow have you not seen Ron Paul being excluded and blackballed? hah, America does that too just in more subtle ways. Sure we don't bomb minorities but other methods have been used for racist cops and justice system to put minorities in prison for non violent drug crimes. Death penalty, we have that. It isn't brought about the same way. Not out in the open and no hangings, instead we use technology to our advantage to fry someone using the electric chair.

I do agree that the leaders are not good but I don't think we should go to war with Iran. That's like if someone waged war on every country because of a few people but we all know that it's the citizens that pay the price. Their children die, their fathers, sisters, brothers, mothers.

If someone forced us to change, we would hate it too. Also, I thought we were going to these wars because terrorists hated us for our way of life and wanted to impose their way but if you think about it, Bush is imposing our way of life on them!

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16 Jan 2008, 7:10 pm

here's a video of inside Iran.

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=KsL-k_X-Bmc[/youtube]

There are more parts which you can find here
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KsL-k_X-Bmc&feature=related

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16 Jan 2008, 8:03 pm

Eh, do they all live posh lives?

I don't think so.

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16 Jan 2008, 8:04 pm

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You really want to compare the treatment of a Ron Paul to let us say the treatment of the Islamic People's Republican Party? You're crying over political flack that Ron Paul gets? Don't tell me you expect him to win. It was pretty clear from the on-set who would have a better chance at being in the primary, especially in the Republican side. There is no way he'll get the support from the Republican electorate.

What is wrong with the death penalty? The electric chair is a little out-dated, and it's been around for a damn long-time that I wouldn't call it new technology. Just for your information, Iran's death sentences are a little more than just a typical hanging.

And yes, the current government has mangled foreign policy, but what can be said about Iran? It's not a country that can easily be trusted. I would say the same thing about some of U.S.'s "allies".

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16 Jan 2008, 8:10 pm

Iran:
GDP (PPP) per capita: $8,700
'nuff said.

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16 Jan 2008, 8:13 pm

Averick wrote:

Eh, do they all live posh lives?

I don't think so.

Considering they've a real gdp of less than $10k, I doubt Iranians have Porsches parked outside their 2+ story houses.

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16 Jan 2008, 10:18 pm

Wasn't this (Pan Am flight 103) also the work of the Iranian government (effectively the same government they have now)?

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17 Jan 2008, 3:34 am

You're right, let's liberate them through bombing :roll:

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17 Jan 2008, 10:45 am

BazzaMcKenzie wrote:

Wasn't this (Pan Am flight 103) also the work of the Iranian government (effectively the same government they have now)?

If it was, why did the US spend so much effort trying to blame it on Libya? Why did US courts find against Libya and enter a judgement of $6 billion? Why did the US courts just order that the judgment be paid? If Iran really was behind it, that is a stunning indictment of the ineptitude of the American government.

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17 Jan 2008, 2:07 pm

twoshots wrote:

Iran:
GDP (PPP) per capita: $8,700
'nuff said.

Stuff is cheaper in Iran. $8,700 buys a lot more in Iran than it does in the US or Europe. Also, I think there are things more important than money.

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17 Jan 2008, 2:18 pm

PPP = purchasing power parity
It's already been adjusted.
Someone may correct me if I'm wrong, but unadjusted it's more like $3,046 per capita.

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18 Jan 2008, 12:54 am

zendell wrote:

Also, I think there are things more important than money.

Yes, like the Quds force, Revolutionary Guards, hezbollahis, support for the Hizbullah of Lebanon, Mahdi Army of IraQ, and Hamas of Palestine.

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18 Jan 2008, 1:08 am

monty wrote:

BazzaMcKenzie wrote:

Wasn't this (Pan Am flight 103) also the work of the Iranian government (effectively the same government they have now)?

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/jun2000/lock-j15.shtml wrote:

On June 4, the CBS programme "60 Minutes" aired claims that Iranian intelligence services organised the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 ....

... Iranian defector Ahmad Behbahani in which he claimed the bombing, over the Scottish town of Lockerbie, was in retaliation

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