Should I move to Australia if Obama wins?

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Dream on, you punk ass white boi!

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Ragtime - I'd just say hang on for 3 1/2 more years - in two years you'll see the senate and house shift back your way and in another 2 years after that you'll likely see President Romney, Jindal, maybe even Steele.

Point is - I'd hate to see you move out there and then have us have a Reaganite revolution all over again while Australia simultaneously makes the same mistake that we just did; that would suck and I'd rather not see you suffer the financial losses or aggravations.

Like him or dislike him, Obama is likely to be a two-term President. The Republican party needs to do some serious soul-searching and decide where they stand on a lot of important issues. They badly need to get their act together if they ever want another chance at power. I mean, the rising stars of your party are people like Jindal? Look, I could support a Republican in 2012, but not if it's a lunatic like Jindal.

If they do that soul-searching it can't be on the grounds of "Listen, reality is moving left - truth is on the left - we either need to move left or give up our existence", mainly because there's way too much to legitimately debate against that. The conservatives want to kick the big-government people out of the republican party, I really hope they can. I don't know that they'll be able to embrace libertarians on the moral issues but really it seems like their best bet at all is go back to their roots in all aspects.

One thing that's really screwed us up though is the notion of fascism on the right and communism on the left as the paradigm that everyone needs to be at center (its as bad as awful and inaccurate as the 'love and fear' continuum in Donny Darko). The problem with it is that it doesn't revolve around more government or less government, ideally it should be between tyranny and anarchy as a continuum of how much government to have. If there is any fascism component to the right it rests in the big government Republicans who technically should be seen as conservatives-in-name-only. As long as we keep looking at government the way we are now though, *huge* issues get glossed over because they're cut out of the picture.

If nationwide internet censorship AND being unable to legally defend your own home against violent thugs with a firearm is your idea of looking better then go move there I say! The fact that conservatives are so butthurt by the election of Obama really goes to show how they really ARENT patriotic and loyal to America as they vociferously profess to be!

You do realize, of course, that one reason for the outcome of the last election is because the Republican party has abandoned conservatism as a driving force. Sure, the party flacks pay lip service to the concept, but I can't really call a government "conservative" when it's creating whole new bureacracies (Cabinet-level Department of Homeland Security, anyone?), engaging in foreign-nation-building at a rate that would have had Clinton facing hot coals and pincers, and spending money faster than a drunken Johnson-era Democrat with someone else's credit card - particularly when the spending increases are deliberately met with funding cuts (no, not increases, cuts, as if someone lost his job and responded by buying a Hollywood mansion).

If the Republicans want to start winning elections again, they need to forget Leo Strauss and his "neoconservative" school of thought, and go back to good old-fashioned Goldwater conservatism - you know, smaller, less intrusive government, with fewer laws governing personal behavior rather than more, and budgets that at least try to balance spending with taxes one way or another.

Your definitely singing to the choir - here at least. As far as prior matters, we had a mess - not sure what we should or shouldn't have done differently, though nation building in Afghanistan was our penance for what we did there in the soviet era (ie. pulling out without building any schools, educating, etc.). The Taliban's refusal to turn over Bin Laden didn't help much either.

So do I. I also hope they get rid of the idiot social conservatives, and they can't do that if people like Jindal and Palin are going to be the vanguards of the party. Social conservatism is just out-and-out idiocy, and people aren't going to be bullied into playing along with it forever.

I agree with DeaconBlues about the need for a reinvigorated Goldwater conservatism.

The internet censorship got shot down, from what I heard. And you are obviously a right-wing lunatic who doesn't care if a gun gets used to turn a domestic argument into a murder. We don't need people like you or Ragtime in our country.

Even if it didn't, it's not as though it would have been terribly difficult to circumvent.

That sounds an awful like a personal attack to me, where are the moderators when you need one? Oh, wait...

Its apparently only a problem if it isn't true

Anyone who defends the right to bear arms for the sake of so-called protection are suspect, in my opinion. Letting the average person have a firearm is the same as having a child run with scissors. And I don't think that we need someone like Ragtime or Haliphron in our country.

No, that type of personal attack is inappropriate regardless. Making fun of other members is not cool, and that sort of behavior certainly shouldn't be coming from a mod.

The Republican Party doesn't have a chance without its social conservatives. Barry Goldwater lost in a HUGE landslide to Lyndon Johnson.

What you have to remember is that the wealthy elite who run the Republican party depend upon the social conservatives to do their campaigning for them--going door to door, standing up in church, etc., takes a lot of work. Are the non-social conservative Republicans really going to take a day away from the country club to go campaigning? It sounds too much like work.

The social conservatives handed major victories to Reagan and Bush. But, neither of them really did anything to advance the interests of social conservatives. Well, so, homosexual marriage will never happen, no matter which party wins. And, no matter which party wins, abortion will never be outlawed. There will just be a lot of wind about it, and that is all.

Richard Nixon saw the wisdom of aligning the Republican party with social conservatives, and most Dixiecrats turned Republican. You're in bed with each other, so you might as well get used to each other snoring and farting.

Other people have different opinions, and empirically speaking your opinion is less well-supported with factual data.


False analogy, and another set of personal attacks. Even if I don't get along with someone all the time, I usually do not go as far as you are.

I'm getting curious- the moderation team has changed a lot lately, no? I saw Lau's rank had been changed to "site admin" rather than mod. Merle and Makuranososhi are both mods, and evidently there are others in training. Is there any location where all that information is kept up to date and available?