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17 Jan 2009, 4:08 pm

It just seems to me that punk-rock is all about rebellion for its own sake. Rebellion for its own sake, just mindless destructive energy, seems pretty stupid.

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17 Jan 2009, 4:23 pm

Many different political styles of Socialism and Anarchy are represented by the Punk movement. Political application can only be shown through evidence of the lifestyles that people lead. Writings, music, art, and other forms of creative expression influence ideas and perceptions of other people. One of the main goals of Punk is to influence political thought, yes. Does Punk make sense as a political party? No. Are Punk social groups sexist, violent, and corrupt? Yes and No.

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17 Jan 2009, 4:25 pm

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It just seems to me that punk-rock is all about rebellion for its own sake. Rebellion for its own sake, just mindless destructive energy, seems pretty stupid.

Well let me give you a different perspective. I refuse to do drugs or drink alcohol as a personal choice even though most people do. I also refuse to take an interest in fashion even though most people do. Rebellion isn't always selfdestructive. Sacrificing individuality can be far more self destructive than being yourself for example even though the latter would be seen as more rebellious.

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19 Jan 2009, 7:35 am

slowmutant wrote:

It just seems to me that punk-rock is all about rebellion for its own sake. Rebellion for its own sake, just mindless destructive energy, seems pretty stupid.

Some are, the likes of the sex pistols and New York Dolls were simply nihilistic, others like the ruts, the clash, stiff little fingers had a reasonable go at left wing politics. But here I am showing my age, with regard to so called modern punk bands I dont really know

Now heres a thought to my mind Punk was not just about the music, it was a cultural movement. So can contemporary bands claim the title of punk. Wouldnt that be the same as a band claiming to be hippies when the hippie movement died out in the early 70's

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19 Jan 2009, 7:48 am

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slowmutant wrote:

It just seems to me that punk-rock is all about rebellion for its own sake. Rebellion for its own sake, just mindless destructive energy, seems pretty stupid.

You've made some wise decisions, as far as drugs and booze are concerned. Refusing to take an interest in fashion is certainly your prerogative. I agree that rebellion isn't always self-destructive. Rebellion is more about self-preservation, don't you think?

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22 Jan 2009, 9:09 pm

slowmutant, Jesus went into the temple and started throwing the tables over and yelling at the people selling animals. That is pretty rebellious. I mean, I think that whole scene can be reenacted to make a pretty good punk rock video. He was definitely a non-conformist.

He also yelled about the tax collectors being sinful. Yelling at the IRS is pretty rebellious, don't you think? He also rebelled against Judaism, the religion of his day.

Rebelliousness is an inevitable trait to any form of political reformation.

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22 Jan 2009, 10:05 pm

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slowmutant, Jesus went into the temple and started throwing the tables over and yelling at the people selling animals.

He sure did. He got angry just that one time.

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22 Jan 2009, 10:28 pm

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DentArthurDent wrote:

Why the need for a post on this? punk rock songs are replete with political subject matter.

well some hic disagreed! there's an amazing quote by picasso randomly placed in the lyrics booklet 4 the new Rise Against album about how art is an instrument of war. So I think Picasso would agree that punk rock applies to politicsXD

Methinks Picasso is too busy rolling in his grave to have words put in his ossified mouth. Nonspecific, gimmicky lyrics that only tend to convey a vague sense of rebelling against "the man" are only political in the broadest sense. If they don't have intent to mobilize people to take real action for a cause or even to just vote, how's that political? It's cool to say you're some rebel who wants to fuck the system over, but without a cause or some belief, you're just a clueless hipster.

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22 Jan 2009, 10:33 pm

Radical chic FTL

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22 Jan 2009, 11:45 pm

^ gay female hater club?

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22 Jan 2009, 11:46 pm

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Jesus was a revolutionary, not an anarchist. He acknowledged the secular authority of his day when he said, "Give unto God what is God's, give unto Caesar what is Caesar's."

Well, that fact is usually not denied by Christarchists. The issue they would argue is that Christ preached an indifference towards ruling authorities, and through that a means of overcoming the need for these authorities.

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23 Jan 2009, 12:07 am

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^ gay female hater club?

Not that, the other meaning (whichever one makes sense in this context).

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23 Jan 2009, 8:49 am

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slowmutant wrote:

Jesus was a revolutionary, not an anarchist. He acknowledged the secular authority of his day when he said, "Give unto God what is God's, give unto Caesar what is Caesar's."

Christarchists? Uh, no. Fail.

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23 Jan 2009, 10:48 am

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Christarchists? Uh, no. Fail.

Christarchists, another name for Christian anarchists. I don't see how I "fail", all you did was dismiss me, and an idea that even some doctorate holding theologians have.

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23 Jan 2009, 10:57 am

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Christarchists? Uh, no. Fail.

Christarchists, another name for Christian anarchists. I don't see how I "fail", all you did was dismiss me, and an idea that even some doctorate holding theologians have.

Really? That's nice.

Anarchists reject all authority on principle, do they not? And Christians are instructed to obey both earthly and heavenly authority, ie. "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and render unto God what is God's." That quote was the reply Jesus gave to the Jewish pharisees when they asked him if it was a just thing to pay taxes to the state, ie. acknowledge the authority of the state.

Wouold a "Christarchist" recognize the authority of the priesthood? The authority of God Himself?

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23 Jan 2009, 11:30 am

Anarchy means "without government" not "without God".
"There is no greater authority than God" is an anarchist type of statement.
That is the type of statement Jesus made over and over again in his teachings.

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